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I have to say I am really impressed by the great graphics. They look really good. It is very interesting how you used your chart in that model. Maybe it also is a better idea, that you use the Zodiac as it should be. For me, the choice was between keeping the Zodiac original or keeping the AQAL mode...

As far as Wilber is concerned development ideally moves from pre-rational to rational to trans-rational. Moving from rational to pre-rational Wilber would see as a regressive shift back 'to infantile states'. I think Wilber?s pre/trans fallacy is a great way to differentiate between different kind ...

Hi Keren I absolutely agree that astrology works perfectly on its own. As do Wilber?s ideas. And I also agree that in trying to squish them together, much subtlety and depth is lost. The same with languages, each language has its unique voice, which should never be lost. But still, I had several rea...

Re: TOE

This is not the time for even a higher order of BLUE. I absolutely agree. I think it is time to take the individuality of people and build upon that. The developmental stage after Blue (which Wilber calls Amber) is Orange (Science and logic) and then Green (all views are equal). The next stage is c...

Re: Ken Wilber, Astrology, Spiral Dynamics

Spiral Dynamics introduces a z axis and possibly more. For example, the dynamics of interaction between inner awareness and outer awareness results in a "change of levels" to a higher order of dialogue... "moving up" and "out," expanding the spiral of interaction. I al...

Hi Kenan Great to see you are interested in relating Integral theory with Astrology. Like you, I did not find much about that relation. And when I started to try and combine them, I could see why. It was almost impossible to put them together in a model. As many similarities as there seem to be at f...

AQAL stands for ?all quadrants all levels? and it is his basic map. In essence it is the subject and object on an individual and collective level. There is the individual/interior, the collective/interior, the individual/exterior and the collective/exterior, set in a quadrant. Left is interior, righ...

Ken Wilber

Hi all I was wondering if someone here is familiar with the works of Ken Wilber. I have been diving in his work these past few months and I see many interesting similarities with astrology. I think his models like AQAL, his basic map, and Altitude, his developmental map of humans as well as history ...

Hi Spirlhelix I find it highly interesting too. But it drives me crazy at the same time! For some reason I cannot get it right with the humours. That is why I found this topic so interesting. But still I can not see the total picture. Another way of looking at it is the way of Jean Carteret, a Frenc...

Re: Humorous Conundrum

Thanks for the very interesting link about the 4 elements on the website of David Little which I did not see before, although I am familiar with his vision (the link didn't go there directly, because I see this is a very old thread). Great discussion about it here, and I am certainly going to read i...

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