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Thank you for your response, Waybread. It is very difficult to express many of these things in words, I am afraid. English is a dreadful language for communicating matters of metaphysics. I have begun learning Japanese, in part because it is a better language to express metaphysical concepts. Even a...

Spock, I read what you wrote about the consultation with a psychic, and I propose an alternate scenerio. I am not a psychic, and I tend to a be a little dubious of psychics in general. I think that one can get knowledge through non-rational means; however, I think that few modern people really can s...

James, I am not surprised that you disagree with most of what I say. Our positions are pretty much diametrically opposed to one another. From what I can tell from your posts, your philosophical position is a Post-Modernist one, and mine is a Traditionalist one. These philosophies are directly oppose...

Waybread, I do think that I need to clarify what I meant by tests being demeaning. That statement was in response to Nixx's proposal, which I took to mean seasoned astrologers being "tested" by non-astrologers to "prove" astrology as a discipline. That is a much, much different s...

Oh dear, I thought I was not going to say more, but I think that this is an important addendum. I will, of course, concede that we likely know much more about the natural, physical world than the Ancients. The Ancients were much less interested in the physical world than we are though. In some ways,...

Spock, I do appreciate your views, but we are starting to get to the place I think that we both are just going to keep repeating ourselves. There is one piece to what you said, though, that I would like to clarify: We no longer believe that the earth is at the center of the cosmos. We no longer beli...

Spock said: If we insist that the elements of the whole can't be individually evaluated we're simultaneously admitting that astrology couldn't have been discovered based on observation. Exactly! I agree that astrology could not have been discovered based on observation! That has been part of my poin...

Re: Whence astrology?

I have been thinking about this since I read it, because it has bothered me. It has taken me a bit of time to mull it around in my mind to work out exactly what bothered me about it, and how to respond. If, as I contend, there's a blind spot here inculcated by astrological training, it's no surprise...

Thank you, Spock, for your reply. I see that your post is "to be continued...", but it is long and meaty, so with your indulgence, I will take a few bits from what you have already written, with the understanding that there may be more that you have to say, which may clarify matters. I wou...

I apologize if I was not clear in what I said. In fact we often see traditional authors suggest that a malefic strong in essential dignity can act like a benefic, whilst a benefic corrupted by being in fall or detriment can act like a malefic. This idea stretches back at least to the arabic astrolog...

Nixx, Actually, all that would do would be to test the ability of the individual astrologers and the techniques they use. It says nothing about whether or not there is a correlation between the movement of the planets and events and human behavior. The scientific method is quite rigorous. One must b...

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