Hello Aurelia !

You mention Mars on the day.

Mars moves into Aquarius the following day (05 51 GMT) and will square H.Clinton's directed Saturn (symbolic one degree method) at 0 Aquarius 18.
Her directed Mercury also reaches 0 Aquarius 23.

Also later in the day (21.45 GMT) the Moon moves into Pisces and will square her natal Jupiter at 0 Sagittarius 30.

The Moon at 25 Aquarius 38 makes a sextile aspect to Venus at 25 Sagittarius 38 on the day (13 54 GMT) opposing her radical Uranus at 25 Gemini 55

We can say these things without knowing her birth time.

The Moon travels through Aquarius on the day, conjoining D.Trump's Part of Fortune and then when the Moon enters Pisces it conjoins his Lot of Spirit and then his Pars Hyleg. This activity mirrors the Moon and ascendant on his nomination acceptance chart.

After that the Moon next day at 08 51 GMT is parallel with Neptune (at 9Pisces16) and conjoins Neptune at 14 14 GMT . Since transiting Neptune is so close to D.Trump's pars Hyleg this is of concern.

Thank you Aurelia for referring to the planetary picture on the day. I think that what happens on the day, more than anything else, will decide this election.

In sporting terminology my erstwhile footballer husband says that the winner of a game is determined from "what you do on the day"! Flippant maybe but relevant !

In her latest eNewsLetter, 1 November 2016 (News from the Stars), Joni Patry has come out with an interesting prediction. Here are her exact words:

...What does this all mean? From the charts I surmise that Clinton will probably win the elections but Donald Trump will uncover many secrets that will disqualify her for U.S. President. One way or another she will not be President. The entire purpose of Trump's run for President will come to fruition, and that is to reveal the truth of all the corruption running rampant in the government. Regardless if this was his intention this will change the course of the elections and America.
(.....newsletter sentences deleted here.....)

For a detailed analysis of these charts for the elections go to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvTt1R1jrW0

Tom wrote:So, who predicted this latest turn of events? Now that would be an astrologer.

Prediction, as a modern day astrologer?

No, let's all pontificate, with the Venusian beauty of hindsight.

I rather think that at this stage it is a case of alea iacta est but Therese raises the interesting question of what happens next after Hillary is elected (assuming ancient occult science has got it right )
We could indeed await the time of inauguration but there is another method based on the ingress

Perhaps we could ask this in a new post?

I will get the ball rolling if anyone is interested

Mjacob wrote:I rather think that at this stage it is a case of alea iacta est but Therese raises the interesting question of what happens next after Hillary is elected (assuming ancient occult science has got it right )
We could indeed await the time of inauguration but there is another method based on the ingress

Perhaps we could ask this in a new post?

I will get the ball rolling if anyone is interested

Well I had to look up "alea iacta est" !!
I agree ! :
"Et voil?. Maintenant, le ressort est band?. Cela n'a plus qu'? se d?rouler tout seul"
Jean Anouilh "Antigone"
Yes the Greek tragedy unfolds for that is what it is beginning to resemble!

"After Hillary is elected" Well I saw some cowboys from Arizona interviewed today who would not regard this as a given !
A few astrologers too !

Yes an ingress chart sounds interesting.

I remember the die is cast - I think said by Julius Caesar but my Garcon de Lycee French needed a little help with Anouilh !

HRC could win hands down but I bet there will be deniers just like the remainers here but let us not pursue that now

This is spinning out of control, totally... Now Assange claims HC and the ISIS are funded by the same money, and at the same time officials are warning about possible terror attack in several cities the day before the election... Chance to see if "anaretic" is stronger than "exalted" (Mars) at the time, and to learn from it, whatever happpens...
Him entering Aquarius the next morning does seem like a bright outcome.... Or will it bring more internet wars?
Huh.
At this point I sincerely hope none of the astrology is true and nothing happens except a bit of regular election related hysteria, as usual...

Hi Folks,

Just thought I'd throw in my comments from my very high level Top Down approach.

I can't see anything just now that points to Trump or Clinton. I'm stumped on the Saturn/ Uranus trine, and then Jupiter's influence on those two. And the slow moving nature of all those aspects.

I'd say Trump if I have to choose, from the Saturn Uranus trine. A constrained whackiness that gets stymied in 2018 as Uranus ingresses into Taurus.

However, my point is the next President doesn't take office till the 20th Jan, and therefore that's where much analysis should be focused.

Similarly that's why the BREXIT call was so hard because of course it was just an advisory non-binding mutter, unfortunately, taken as we were coming out of a very negative longish run of aspects.

As to when, or when NOT, BREXIT might happen and therefore the focus of analysis nearly impossible at the time to tell.

Even now where would you try to focus with so much up in the air?

H

PS Mars's transit into Aquarius on Wednesday 9th Nov I think pushes towards Trump too.

Right, Ura trine Sat does seem to indicate what you are saying Rocko... Slow moving planets are to be examined to get bigger picture of current world's events as nothing happens overnight in world's affairs...
But since here we have two real people's aspirations on stake, I think it would be appropriate to check what's going on in candidates charts as well...
I'm very unhappy about not having TOB for HC for it disables me to use my usual approach which considers houses and fast moving planets in the first place...
So what we have for HC is TSun conj her NVenus, but no idea where in her chart does it occure... Personally - I don't know what to think of that, unless the chart with NVenus being in 12th is correct one and now that TSun is shining on it - three female pop singers performed and publicly alligned with her (Perry, Beyonce, J-Lo...). It is hard for me to imagine that support of three female superstars was actually a "hidden enemy" as Venus in 12th usually suggests...?
And for Trump, on the election day we have Moon entering his 7th house, which might indicate some sort of engaging with the masses... In terms of persuading him to work for his cause, aka "make partnership with him".
On the other hand, when we are about mass behaviour - HC's NNeptune is conjunct TJupiter... Even though I don't know where does it happen in her chart, it does seem to indicate recent events with her "murky side" being brought to the light and was possibly exagerated (Jupiter "the expander" of things)...But maybe that's not the case - I'm looking forward to see how that issues develop in the future... Will they dissapear once TJup is away from her NNeptune? We have almost a full year before that happens...
Oh, and since I'm chronic optimist - I'm thinking maybe NNep conj TJup mght indicate high ideals of the native being brought to light with Jup transit as well
Any thoughts?

We can indeed wait until the inaugaration to assess how the new incumbent president fares and that is the usual method but we can use ingress charts for this

My chart for Washington DC has 12 degrees 2' of scorpio rising slightly different from another chart with the 11th degree asc
MC is 20 leo so the new president is the sun and Luna co-significator.
We start from the idea that for kings the MC is the east so H9 as 12th from 10th is house of enemies and is cancer so let us use Jupiter as significator. Other sources simply state that H9 is enemies of rulers as opposition is likely to come from people of similar rank. The people do not have another vote
The sun is 11th house conjoined to Jupiter so fortunate
The moon in 19 gemini received by dignified but retro mercury but she next applies to oppose Mars so the people will turn against their new president
Edit 16Nov: Mercury also breaks the enclosure of the Moon by the malefics and receives her albeit by a challenging Square. He stations though so it could be that Trump finds his actions will be limited and indeed we already see that he must compromise on enforcing some of his outlandish election promises

Reading Ian Cowie in the Sunday Times on the prospects of a Trump victory thatwill be bad for the markets
Fidelity International fund managers point out that Democrat presidents tend to oversee Market rises and the chart placements of Jupiter and Saturn look on first glance to indicate prosperity
JP Morgan remind us as Mark did earlier in this subject that the Senate and the House of represetatives can moderate presintial plans
The president's rule must be interpreted with this in mind and cannot stand alone as either Trump or HRC
Will look again at the chart on that criterion