hi breeze.. thanks!

i had emailed oner, but never heard back.. i have e mailed him a few times, but perhaps he doesn't speak english or has too many fish to fry as it is..
regarding the 408am time for erdogan.. not a bad guess in many respects.. cap rising with saturn on the midheaven - like the queen of england, lol... i get the impression, there is something in erdogans dreams along a similar line... and of course he is trying to pull it off here too with the referendum..

those are excellent comments from you on the nature of getting birth data from people born in turkey.. thanks for all of that! cheers james

further to my posts on the first page of this thread - feb 19th 2016 444am which highlights the mars/saturn conjunction on the ascendant for ankara and marks the approx time for the beginning of turkeys 'euphrates shield' operation as noted in my post on aug 25th 2016 424am, today marks an official announcement of the end of this military operation.. " Turkey says 'Euphrates Shield' operation in Syria 'successfully completed' " - https://www.rt.com/news/382732-turkey-e ... yria-ends/

one can take a look at the chart for turkeys solar return for this year page 2 of this thread dated Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:36 pm and note how the transiting sun at approx 9 aries moves thru the moon/jupiter conjunction in the midheaven area of the 2016 solar return chart. transit venus is exact opposite the midheaven degree also.. on the other hand, t neptune squares venus/saturn conjunction exactly on the ascendant in the solar return chart... i guess if this military exercise of turkeys is indeed over, it seems to me more like a feel good fix to help along the results of the upcoming april 16th referendum more then anythingt.. meanwhile i read that the media in turkey are overwhelmingly voicing the erdogan - apk position - yes vote, while negating to cover the oppositions 'no' views on this vote being put to the turkish public..

it seems to me turkey continues to navigate a tough course at this point in time historically.. while i am uncertain of the outcome of this referendum result, i remain very curious of the outcome in a few weeks time and how turkey works forward from here on the domestic and international levels..