john wrote:... I note when Trainers and Jockeys are successful and see if patterns in the chart repeat. There are a few routes I could pursue but at present I'm noting the Ascending Degree. This seemed to work well enough and I will run with it for the time being.

It is a little different from the method detailed by Joyce Wehrman, but that is due to the speed of the Ascending Sign and that National Hunt is being looked at, rather than the flat.

I'd be interested to know if anyone else decides to run with this technique. I'll see what I can do for Aintree.

Hi John, sorry for the delay in replying.

So - it sounds like you have analaysed a lot of race charts and are noting the correlation of rising degree and successful trainer? (I get the reference to Wehrman now).


Gosh, lots of work there! Any plans to publish? I'd buy that book at full price!

Hi Pallas, thanks for your kind words.

I didn?t find Joyce Wehrman, rather she found me!

Some older UK astrologers may remember a local group based in Immingham/Grimsby on the east coast of England that was active during the 1980s and 1990?s. It was run by two women, who we know visited the USA for at least one astrology conference.

Unfortunately, we believe both women have now passed away. A family member had gathered both of their book collections and contacted our local group to see if we wanted them. This is the third time we have had a donation of astrology books, which we freely distribute to astrologers in the area.

Within the large collection was ?Winning, Zodiac Timing revisited?. I?d already had thoughts of moving away from the poetry of horse names and to astrology of the individuals involved, specifically looking at the Ascendant. The book clarified what I was already thinking.

On the inside cover of the book is a hand written note by Joyce Wehrman saying ?To Rosemary, may you win in life?, perhaps enough of a coincidence to carry me forward with my sports astrology journey.

I?ll see what I can do for the Aintree Festival as well.

What a lovely story! Thank you for sharing.

Do you need the birth data for the trainers? Isn't this hard to secure?
I understand you do not need their time of birth - natal angles are not the only important element in Wehrman's method as plants count too.

So - AC of the race chart lines up with a "lucky" planet (sun, moon, venus jupiter ?) of trainer's natal and there's your winning trainer?

I think what John is doing is noting the asc degree every time a certain jockey/trainer combination wins.

Then, the next time that combination runs, if the race degree is similar to a previous race in which it won, full steam ahead!

Which is clever, because the race asc must be activating something in each of the Jockey/Trainer composite birth charts.

Great story, John.

Saturnhead is correct, at present I'm just noting when either the combination of Jockey/Trainer wins, or just a trainer or jockey, then noting the ascending degree.

It seems like a form of rectification, without needing to know the individual charts.

One place that lists some dates of birth is www,directoryoftheturf.com which lists jockeys, trainers and lots more.

I haven't got round to matching up the ascending degree with a natal chart, or combined charts of jockey/trainer but it is something I'd do in time. It would be interesting to see if there was a common theme as to what was being triggered in a natal chart to identify a winner.

I'm interested to know if it is the starting or finishing time that is relevant and the flat season is easier to consider, as I made reference to in another thread.

Another issue is whether jockeys or trainers take precedence over other trainers and jockeys at a particular degree, which I can do during this flat season.

All I know at the moment is that both Cheltenham and Aintree were successful so I'm encouraged enough to 'kick on'.