hi mark,

i used to look at those a very long time ago - dodekamoria... the data has to be very close to exact in order for it to be even considered.. it is not something i would want to rest a position on, but i like how you tied it together.. however, the chart data that vicki entered was for cairo, not bir al-abed.. this changes the chart to approx 6 aries 35 and supports the importance of everything having to be very close in order for it to fly... the problem here is the question on a rounded off time of 150pm as well..



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James_M wrote:

i used to look at those a very long time ago - dodekamoria... the data has to be very close to exact in order for it to be even considered.. it is not something i would want to rest a position on, but i like how you tied it together.. however, the chart data that vicki entered was for cairo, not bir al-abed.. this changes the chart to approx 6 aries 35 and supports the importance of everything having to be very close in order for it to fly... the problem here is the question on a rounded off time of 150pm as well..

Ahh a beautiful theory ruined by ugly astro data! lol

An event chart was perhaps an unpromising way to float this technique. Still, Dodekamoria are fully viable for mundane events with an unambiguous exact time. Ingress charts for example or national charts legally taking effect at midnight.

Mark

mark,

your comments on the venus ruled dwad might be valid as the time is still not fully ascertained.. and in the case of rectification is this the type of technique they use as well as i understand..

i was just looking at the 1953 chart - leo profection year, so a focus on the sun in the natal chart and solar return chart.. the natal chart has had the transit of saturn in opposition to the sun and of course this shows up in the solar return chart.. below is a solar return chart off the june 18 1953 1:30 am chart set for cairo with 29 aries rising..

viewing the event chart with the solar return chart, one notes the moon/mars square at 9 aries/cancer on the angles and very close to the degree for the event chart which has 6 aries given the 150pm time.. 'event' mercury is making an exact conjunction to the solar return saturn - at 24 sag 16.

the solar return chart has the ascedant ruler venus in the 8th at 12 degrees taurus.. what is interesting is saturn in the event chart is exactly opposite the sun at 27 gemini, while being 45 degrees to this same venus at 12 taurus and ruler of the ascendant in the 8th... so, lots of connections between the solar return for the 53 chart and the event chart..

6 aries rising is the exact midpoint of solar return mercury/pluto in the as well.. looking at the solar arc directions off the 1953 chart, perhaps the most significant one for me is sa mars exact 45 natal saturn and of course the transit in the event chart had mars at 20 libra exactly on natal saturn as well, acting as a trigger for this sa mars 45 radix saturn.. in the natal 53 chart, mars and saturn are square by sign, but not degree.. generally they aren't set up favourably in the chart.. saturn exalted in libra and mars in it's fall in cancer..

maybe i can see if the 1922 chart has as many connections.. below is the solar return off the 1953 chart..



1922 chart has libra profection to the scorpio ascendant, so a 12th house profection.. venus, ruler of libra is at 1 aries in the 1922 chart and in opposition to saturn at 5 libra, so a difficult year is generally projected for a set up like that! 2017 solar return off the 22 chart has venus at 11 aries retro, while sr mercury - ruler of the 8th in the natal chart is conjunct venus in the natal chart..

1922 chart itself has pluto at 7 cancer, with the sr moon at 8 libra.. why this is interesting is if the event chart ascendant is close to 6 aries - one can see the relevance.. and, north node in the 1922 chart is at 9 libra as well.. lots more interesting connections that i won't bore you all with.. well, one more... mars solar arc at 14 virgo is on the same degree of the 2017 solar return midheaven off the 22 chart..

below is the 2017 solar return off the 1922 chart...