Actually I'll add another post about the NM and FM Charts.

1/ NM first. Without being able to overlay this Chart exactly on the 1792 Chart I still can see the Neptune opposition to the NM Point, and the sextile to Jupiter, and trine to r.Pluto.

And know that the latter are in applying sextile to each other.

I also see that the NM Point is around a Midpoint for Mars and Uranus's square. I'd say that is very significant.

That's about all I know just now without the decent overlaid Chart to look at. The above doesn't tell me too much except that interesting MidPoint Tension.

Bucholtz's work has told me that he expects Volatility and Trend Changes around the 19th-20th Sept, and the 23rd Sept.

2/ Moving onto the FM and this is what I am most interested in, because I'm unsure what comes after the Low Point that I think will come on the 20th-21st Sept.

A Chart drawn up for the 24th Sept that is slated as being able to tell what comes for the next Fortnight helps me a lot.

I this case because the FM is near to Midnight I can use a standard Transit Chart for the 25th Sept.

I understand that the 1792 n.Mars and n.Neptune are the key to look at and see if they are being activated, and when they will be by the transiting Moon during the Fortnight head.

For the FM Chart I see t.Pluto aspecting n.Mars by trine. That's a very strong thing indeed.

In the NW Chart Pluto also trined the NM Point.

For me this is very relevant. Although I try NOT to burden my Analysis with too much reference to Earth Likelihood, ie what will play out on Earth, I am aware that the US Economy seems to be powering along and that won't go away overnight.

I'd say that is much to do with Pluto.

I'm sure Craig won't be giving me more than 2/10 for this Analysis and that'll be in sympathy more than anything, but I also see that the FM is right on the 1792 Charts's Nodal Axis.

Now the old Nodal Axis ? My experience is that energy landing on the South Node tends to be +VE at a Mundane Level.

But again people who use the 1792 n.Chart regularly will know what the Nodal Axis there represents.

I'll just have to look out the Window and see if Craig is coming up the path.

H

Well I've quite enjoyed Analysing the New Moon on the 9th Sept overlayed on the 1792 NYSE n.Chart and the same for the Full Moon late on the 24th Sept.

I used the transit option on Astrodiest and basically it allowed me to see how the transiting planets interacted with the natal Chart.

Basically I haven't a clue what I am looking for as there are too many ideas around, some that don' even use natal Charts, such as the way Celeste Teal used to it very successfully for the USA.

Next I'm probably NOT being very Objective as I'm hoping for a Sell Off towards the 21st Sept, and am then trying to work out what will come after it especially as we have a Federal Reserve Meeting on the 25th-26th Sept just as Mars crosses the Nodes.

So really there are two parts to my investigation. 1/ What happens up to the 21st Sept. 2/ What happens from the 24th Sept onwards for a fortnight.

1/ Well the New Moon, NM, is close to the all important co-ruler Mars in the NYSE 1792 natal Chart. t.Pluto is making a trine to n.Mars. The NM Point makes an inconjunction to n.Moon. I'd say that the NM Point also draws in the IC and MC axis.

2/ For the Full Moon perhaps more exciting. The t.Sun and the t.Moon are nearly exactly on the n.Nodal Axis, and also NOT so far away from the IC and MC axis. t.Mars is upsetting n.Venus but t.Saturn is stabilising her. t.Neptune is inconjunct n.Jupiter.

Can we forget that in both Charts t.Pluto is stressing the n.AC / DC Axis too ?

I'd say both Charts show plenty of stress to key points. n.Mars in the first off set by t.Pluto but the second is even more stressed.

I'm on record as saying what I think the rest of this fortnight brings, and that the federal Reserve will be in a difficult position come the 26th Sept, caught between a desperate World and a Greedy America.

I think t.Chart 2/ does suggest somebody will take a really long run up and kick the NYSE right were it hurts in the latter parts of Sept.

Craig ? HELP !!

H

The proper time is 7:52 am LMT in New York, as rectified by Alphe Lavoie. This chart is extremely accurate.
ASC=13CN51.
I have recently been experimenting with the various ingress charts, as they cover a 3 month period. These are very powerful charts, and work very well with the shorter-term NM charts.
McWhirter's methods are much more powerful than she had any idea of. She didn't know what she had.
If you want to experiment, do it with the big drop in Jan/Feb. Ingress first, then NM.
Always work with the most dramatic events. That's where the astrology stands out strongly. The Capricorn ingress for 2017 is very clear. Sell everything and get out of Dodge!!!

Craig

Getting my knickers in a twist a bit here trying to keep to the Thread's logic.

I happened to read recently that some Lunation techniques such as the ones Bob has detailed in this thread, point to a bit of a rally after the 6th-8th Nov Mid Term Crisis point.

And my first reaction was that that would be completely reasonable, following the Sell the rumour, Buy the fact sort of mentality.

Trump doesn't end if the Congress goes to the Democrats.

However, even with Jupiter in Sagittarius from the 8th, and The Node /Uranus separating from their seismic event on the 6th Nov, we still have the ending of the Jupiter Uranus Geo inconjunction.

Jupiter forms a trine to the North Node too then so that would suggest less seismic-ness.

Again we hang in the Balance I feel. Baring in mind Trump will be doing everything he can to save his precious Rally.

So none the wiser after this out pouring of thoughts.

Much again points to how will Jupiter in Sagittarius play out ?

But we can't forget that that the Node remains close to Uranus in square.

With Pluto coming in to form an opposition/ conjunction to the Nodal Axis.

Um ?

I suppose it depends how low we go in early Nov before the Vote.

H

The logic would be easy to follow if you would move your ruminations over to your own thread. I started this one to see if anyone besides me was interested in McWhirter's work. That doesn't seem to be the case, so there probably isn't much point in continuing it.

CRW

Thanks to "The Bullet" for raising this Thread. Certainly for me it has stimulated me to look at these Lunations and Stock Exchange natal Charts.

And I certainly was missing one point and that is to look at the Exchanges NOT the Indices.

So I'm looking at the NASDAQ now. I know many of the FAANGs have duel listings, so also on the NYSE, but I feel Big Tech is in the Cross Hairs so I'd expect to see something very clear here.

[Certainly I feel China is in the Cross Hairs too and the Chart I've got for Shangai SE shows the IC in the early degrees of Taurus. With Uranus heading that way next year

But what Chart to use ?

Now no surprise I've looked at this before. In the near 20 years I've been doing Astrology I have munched through most things more than once.

So I have a chart 9am 8th Feb 1971 New York.

This site says 10 am.

https://www.completehoroscope.org/finan ... nasdaq.htm

So I'll add that.

I'll print off these Charts and study them. Best NOT to sit at Screens doing heavy thinking.

I'm going to try and get "Good" natal charts for NYSE, NASDAQ, Shangai, Deutsche Borse, LSE, Nikkai and Hong Kong Exchanges.

So I pull up the natal Chart for the NASDAQ 10 am 8th Feb 1971 NY NY.

And straight away there is the early degrees of Taurus right on the ASC.

Owch.

I'll follow McWhitter's ideas and work out the Rulerships, and look at the Rulers of the 2nd, 5th and 8th.

And then analyse the forthcoming NW and FM. Certainly during the critical period till say the week of the 12th Nov.

Thanks again to Craig for the direction.

I'm still interested in fleshing out these natal Charts fully.

Why are we looking at the MC/ 10th ONLY ?

Why do we consider 2nd, 5th, 8th ? And discard the others.

H

So why the Panic ?

We've got critical Elections coming up 6th-8th Nov.

Well we've had a very Heavy Sell Off. A bit of a Bounce but also that fades last time I looked today.

We are just entering Earnings Season which could make or break this Rally.

Summed up perfectly here ....

"Investors worried that equity markets would have trouble recovering as rising Interest Rates coincide with uncertainty about how much Earnings Growth would be hurt by a U.S. trade war with China.

"People fear that it will be harder to snap back if we’re seeing a cyclical top in Earnings with those two headwinds, which are not going away," said Michael O’Rourke, chief market strategist at JonesTrading in Greenwich, Connecticut."

He or She who calls the next month right can make a lot of money.

I think once things have settle by the 9th Nov we'll get a little bit of stability and a Rally of sorts.

So Lunations ?

The NYSE Lunations for the 8th Oct, 24th Oct and 7th Nov.

The first shows deterioration. The second wildly -VE. And the third some harmony.

The NASDAQ Lunations for the same dates then.

I'm mixing The Italian's methods with McWhitter.

tbc over the next few days and weeks if I get around to it.

For the 8th Oct you've got the Lunation trine n.Sun, but inconjunct n.Saturn. MC Ruler.

t.Pluto is crossing the MC. t.Uranus the ASC.

t.Mars square n.Saturn.

If that was a person you'd be giving them serious health warnings.

For the 24th Oct you've got the t.Sun right on the DC and t.Moon right on the Asc conjunct t.r.Uranus.

This also looks a pretty "Wild" Chart.

t.Mars crossing n.Sun and n.Node.

So lets see the 7th Nov.

A lot less going on. But I see t.Node crossing the n.Moon.

And that will have been a theme on the above two charts too.


This has been done very quickly. Throwing in the basics about this that I know.

H

I like the idea of using McWhitter's original NYSE technique focusing on Mars and Neptune, and the MC and ASC.

Then factor in the idea of the Financial planets ruling the 2nd, 5th and 8th houses.

Then analyse the NM and FM Lunation Charts on their own for any clear themes before dropping the Lunations on to decent Exchange natal Chart such the above NYSE, NASDAQ and the remainder like the DAX, FTSE, Shangai, Nikkai. Once the natal Charts are proven.

You then have a focus for which planets to concentrate on.

How are you weaving in the Ingresses ?

Dropping them onto the Exchange natal Charts ?

But I'll always be starting with my Top Down Rolling Analysis and see how the Lunations (and ingress] results compliment or contradict that Top Down Rolling method.

Although historically ingresses have been used on the Fire Signs. Wouldn't Cardinal ingresses be important too.

Hence why many like the Aries ingress Spring. As the two are combined.

H

PS I still haven't broken the Moon's daily movements in the above.

What I am doing is nothing at all like what McWhirter was doing. Frankly, I'm not even sure she knew what she was doing, and she certainly didn't know what she had stumbled on to.
As for some of the 'stuff' you mention, you are turning simplicity into complexity.
I use the ingresses for a long-range view and the NMFM charts for a sharper focus. I use only the DJIA, tho the S&P would also work. I believe the method would work equally well with individual stocks or funds, altho I haven't looked into this.
This is a very powerful method, and I am still refining it.

CRW