thanks lunlumo

that is solar arc ascendant conjunct the natal 1801 uk mars which is in the 8th house... it seems to me this was always about finances and working with others with regard to finances... someone seems to think the financial position of the uk would be better served financially by being out of the EU, as opposed to in it.. the problem with this thinking in regards the 1801 uk chart is that mars is in the sign taurus, so it is not inherently functioning well... if one converts to sidereal it is in aries! but mars then functions as a first rate malefic! either way - it is bad news for the uk based off this one signature as i see it...

what is the software you are using to generate thise chart you have shared? thanks..

here is the 2020 aries ingress set to london. ruler of the libra ascendant is venus in taurus in the 8th - in a conjunction to the 1801 mars in taurus.. focus continues to be on financial relationship with EU as i see it.. the charts for the EU will be much the same.. the western hemisphere emphasis implies a lot of work on relating to the others position! mars-jupiter conjunction on the nadir of the chart with mars ruling the 2nd and 7th also emphasize the same as i see it.. the conjunct looks more fortuitous for those represented by the 7th, then the 1st..

Hi James,
Thx for your comments. I'll respond to that soon.
As you were mentioning the software I use - http://www.astroprocessor.eu/

Regards, LL

For me the 2016 Referendum took places under a Saturn Neptune square. UNHEALTHY. TROUBLED.

The recent Election took place as Jupiter trined r.Uranus. That Force was so strong Few could bare the Tension in Parliament any more, and I think many felt Change was desperately needed.

I think the fact that Johnson's Government was therefore Born under that pretty strong +VE Yang means that it may well do Well.

That'll be a Massive Irony. As the EU and China may NOT be so so Lucky.

Let's see what the Lunar Eclipse delivers.

H

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Seems to be definite now: Jan. 31st, 2020, 23:00 London time.
"Home & Castle" = Sa/PL con. IC.
AC at 17.x Libra - (according to Munich School of Astrology) a degree with a strong SA-UR-impact. I've often found that they are right there. Meaning separation, divorce. However, it might also mean, that separations will take place within the UK - e.g. Scotland saying farewell.

hey woowoo,

how do you factor in the approaching saturn-pluto conjunction or the upcoming jupiter-saturn conjunction with your observation on the closeness of the trine between jupiter-uranus as being such a good thing and defining the boris johnson gov't here??

here is a chart for 11am when boris was apparently sworn in.. notice the 12th house emphasis with ruler of the acendant in the 12th conjunct venus-pluto with venus besieged by the saturn-pluto? also note mercury on the midheaven in sag as ruler of the 8th.. none of that looks in any way positive to me.. the idea of someone with a vindictive agenda ramming the agenda down everyones throat looks more like it with mars in scorpio on the midheaven.. moon is in cancer very closely conjunct the north node and in the 6th house is not a positive either as i read it.. i think the public is at the mercy of the politicians and those with the power in their hands, as is typically the case anyway... to think boris johnsons term here will be anything positive is a real stretch as i see it, in spite of the jupiter-uranus trine in the chart..



thanks lunlumo,

i am not following it closely... has there been another extension to the time of leaving the EU, or is it now official - 11pm jan 31st 2020?

scotland under sturgeon has offered a lukewarm response to this as i understand if off reading craig murrays post from a week or 2 ago here -
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... t-take-it/

here is the gist of his post from dec 20th
"Yesterday the Scottish Government published “Scotland’s Right to Choose“, its long heralded paper on the path to a new Independence referendum. It is a document riven by a basic intellectual flaw. It sets out in detail, and with helpful annexes, that Scotland is a historic nation with the absolute and inalienable right of self-determination, and that sovereignty lies not in the Westminster parliament but with the Scottish people.

It then contradicts all of this truth by affirming, at length, in detail, and entirely without reservation, that Scotland can only hold a legitimate Independence referendum if the Westminster Parliament devolves the power to do so under Section 30.

Both propositions cannot be true. Scotland cannot be a nation with the right of self-determination, and at the same time require the permission of somebody else to exercise that self-determination."

i am not sure how any of this is going to work out, but it will be quite interesting to watch going forward.. thanks for the chart and comments lunlumo and woowoo...

Hi James,

1/ If We believe in Birth Charts, then the Jupiter r.Uranus trine has to be a strong Foundation in Johnson's New Government.

The approaching Saturn Pluto conjunction Less So !

So the UK Government might dodge the January Bullet A BIT.

2/ However, as you know the 1801 Chart is threatened Big time by Saturn and Pluto.

So One has to wonder in which way the Very Foundations of the UK will take the Hit !

3/ Talking with Zosma Personally I'm just watching for the Big Plays and those are the Main two for me.

I can understand why People couldn't resist having an Election with that strong Yang trine in play.

4/ I see that the USA is too sort of Fundamentally Challenged by Saturn and Pluto.

H

Seems to be definite now: Jan. 31st, 2020, 23:00 London time.
"Home & Castle" = Sa/PL con. IC.

I hope they postpone it a bit more because seriously why would anyone want to chose a foundation chart for any sort of independence agreement with Saturn and Pluto together opposite the MC? And square the people ( Moon).

Anyway with Mars (7th house ruler) square Neptune they will be negotiating for ever

hey hamish - happy new year!

one has to always keep in mind, the reading of a chart for a child, will not be the same for reading the chart of a grown person, or someone who is old and close to death.. so the question has to be - what is the background to the nation - uk - and where and why does it finds itself where it is today? the concept of nation state is fairly new as far as time goes.. but one could say the sun has indeed been setting on the british empire and it is fairly far along in terms of it's growth potential and development here.. one could say that the whole idea of brexit is like dealing with early stage dementia for example! the fact this issue has caused so much angst must have something to do with the stage the uk is at as a nation in decline in many respects.. same deal usa which you mention later in your post too..

keeping all this in mind, one is more able to access how the astrology might work out.. the jupiter-uranus trine might seem like a lucky break in itself... this to me is mostly just getting on with the chaos that has ensued since cameron offered the referendum on it... but that is little consolation as i see it... boris pushes thru what seems to be a deeply divisive issue for the side that voted 52 % in favour.. that is the lucky break, lol...i just don't see how one can view his being sworn in as prime minister as all that positive in the wider picture here.. i back this up with the chart for the time he was sworn in as pm too... i suppose we will have to wait and see, but none of these charts operate independently.. they are all tied to a much bigger picture that is unfolding and has to be kept in mind..

one could say that the whole idea of brexit is like dealing with early stage dementia for example!

What an insult to the British public.

I suggest you retract this statement immediately.

stiff upper lip woke s... do keep it in context, as context is everything.. some astro from you would be most welcome too..