Ouranos wrote:

Hello Mark,
China was born a few thousands years ago. By 'came to life' meant more 'changed its constitution'.
As you point out, ROC was established in 1912 and I respect your choice for this date. Many astrologers use the 1949 chart, including Oner Doser
https://isarastrology.org/oner-doser-pr ... 20-part-2/
who predicted a period of growth for China in 2020. God only knows!

Just like House systems, I do not think there is one truth.
What works for you is best suited in your quest!

Kind regards,
Ouranos

Hello Ouranos,
You are obviously not aware of my view on national charts. I wasn't proposing 1911 or 1912 as the only viable dates for a chart. I dont advocate them as such. I have never believed countries need have one chart in the nature of a nativity. Certainly, older countries often have numerous key dates in their history that seem to leave an astrological resonance. Although, I suppose some countries like Canada or Australia are not so controversial or cluttered with candidate dates. I certainly use the 1949 chart for China too. In terms of England and the United Kingdom for example I use charts for 0925, 1066, 1707, 1801 and 1927.

My problem with your 1947 chart was rather that it seemed to me initially a bit like the constitution of a dead, failed state like the Confederate States of America. However, I accept I was too hasty to dismiss your argument. I see this is still the constitution for Tawain today. So I supppose it does represent a model of a more democratic China that still survives in Tawain.

https://law.moj.gov.tw/Eng/LawClass/Law ... e=A0000001

Have you tested this chart out or is this more of an academic case for this date you are making?

Kind regards,

Mark


Kin

Thank you Mark!
Just read the same view with Astrology King.
We are on the same page.

Cheers!
Ouranos

The excellent software Planetdance by Jean Cremers has now a section Gouchon/Barbault Mundane Cycles in the section Time/Tools

This module is designed for mundane cycles analysis, using the methods initially set out by Henri Gouchon, and later developed by Andre Barbault.
The main window displays one hundred years of cycles analysis using a range of factors. At present the module is limited to displaying data for the current century only.

Regards,
Ouranos