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Tanit3333 wrote:
If the SO is mercury though she is combusted by the sun so she is incredibly weak in this moment of time. Can we draw the insight that things are rocky at this present time or that a part of him is hurting her right now?
Mercury often lords young people and could represent his children. My own pull is that Sun is the spouse but I could be misreading it. These planets are intercepted in his house. Intercepted planets are like a hidden house - a house within a house. This emphasizes that the querent is not aware of his personal life and is jumping to conclusions. The Sun is the strongest planet in the chart and lords the quesited so I am not seeing this as a weak relationship. Again, these are fixed signs too, which suggests lack of change. The fact that the querent is so debilitated helps me with this judgment call though since it suggests she is in error.
Also, the sun doesn't receive mercury outside of the conjunction. There's a good aspect but not additional reception. According to Bonatti though that's enough to hold them together, right?
Even if you took Sun as the quesited and Mercury as the spouse, Sun does of course receive Mercury in a sign of Sun's domicile and yes Bonatti would say reception is not required for conjunction.
The other school of thought I've seen is that the significant other is represented by a conjunction, right now the sun and mercury have a 0 degree separating (but considered applying) conjunction. I would assume this would have to be his partner.
They are separating and not considered applying but it is a partile conjunction, which suggests a current influence and not ending (IMO), although an approaching new moon chart (waning) is generally unfavorable for a querent as far as a positive change or moving forward with something. It suggests a conclusion to a matter rather than beginning something (Moon increasing in light is usually more favorable for a question on romance or anything where we want to gain something).

The fact that an incorrect time was posted and a sidereal chart was used makes me feel iffy about this chart but I am just calling what I am seeing.

Whether or not he is moving forward with divorce, which seems unlikely given the fixed indicators and intercepted planets in aversion to the ascendant and the ascendant lord, the querent shows zero interest in this chart for the querent, so it is kind of a moot point in the end, assuming the chart is radical.

The only thing remotely saying something for the querent is Mars received Sun/Mercury and is translating their light to Saturn. However, square aspects between two malefics are pretty negative, although Mars does receive Saturn. To me this seems to be talking about the communication that was probably misinterpreted. Saturn is retro anyway and aspects with a retro planet tend to show reversals or change of heart. They are not very good at bringing a matter into fruition. Mars-Saturn square is also what we call "frustrated desires" whether that is for either or both parties.
I don't think he's moving toward divorce either. They are separating from each other but I assumed given the combustion, this would be good for them. Aka, however the combustion is playing out in real life, this would go away.

I'm struggling to fully put together the combustion though. Mercury isn't happy right now and why would his kids be so heavily impacted?

Isn't the sun automatically the co-ruler of the man? Or is this not definitive?
Thank you!
WJ

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Sup ya'll, im tots confused.

The western chart indicates he's moon in leo applying to mars which effectively frustrates any application to sun or mercury. Second point. Not seeing anyone mention jupiter right on the ascendant. Can we get some opinions. Theres a part of me that thinks hea divorced and mentioned her to get me jealous (yes I know that's petty!) He has never mentioned her before and I had think of creative ways on why he'd think this is the best time. It has been almost a year we have known eachother.

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Well that isn't true. You are conflating Indian astrology with the sidereal zodiac. There are a few of us around who use the sidereal zodiac and most of the standard techniques you'll find in early Traditional astrological texts.
We have a sidereal section clearly defined. Again, this isn't the sidereal section.

By the way, Saturn is not in bad dignity. Its dignified but RX.
Accidental debility.

It is also square Mars, which is not exactly a strong point.

Lilly:
A Retrograde Planet, or one in his first station, Significator in Question, denotes ill in the Question, discord and much contradiction.


Some horary astrologers would say Saturn retro in the ascendant is a pretty big negative.

Regarding Jupiter in fall and retro per Lilly:
If the Fortunes signifie any thing, and are cadent, or ill placed in Dignities, or behold not the Ascendant, or are Retrograde, then are they impedited, and shall performe little, if not received
As a significator in the 1st, reception from the quesited would be ideal. Here Mars receives but via square and is not a sig for the quesited. Again, this likely relates to your talks or maybe the specific conversation you had.

Regarding Moon-Mars, that orb is huge and arguably not worth mentioning:
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspectorbs.html

Much like the other post that is up, you could also use the "is the rumor true" approach. This is a lot of work to go through for a simple question though.


Why not just ask the guy?

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Isn't the sun automatically the co-ruler of the man? Or is this not definitive?
Deb Houlding states (via her research) that the Sun and Venus are read on their own (how they relate to one another only) as a descriptive factor in romance horaries. That is not the same thing as a co-ruler. Both planets can lord other things in a chart.

If you follow Frawley that is a different, I believe (I have not followed his own techniques, which he developed). He might allow them to perform perfection, if you use his techniques.

Those of us who respond use our own schooling and you can agree or disagree with them. Ultimately, this is your delineation as the astrologer of the chart. It sounds like you agree with me anyway regarding result, regardless of methods.

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Tanit3333 wrote:
Well that isn't true. You are conflating Indian astrology with the sidereal zodiac. There are a few of us around who use the sidereal zodiac and most of the standard techniques you'll find in early Traditional astrological texts.
We have a sidereal section clearly defined. Again, this isn't the sidereal section.
Well it isn't the tropical section either, and yes, I know about the sidereal section - I wasn't arguing for either zodiac, but I thought you'd just like to know that you were factually incorrect in your statement.

If you want to ban the use of the sidereal zodiac here, then do it, but, please,, unlike the Traditional forum and Tom's censorship, acknowledge that it isn't a decision based on either historical or contemporary practice, but rather the views of the particular moderator.
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i take it this is someone the asker has an interest in.

7th would be the first place to look at.
7th is ruled by moon.

You are retrograde, represented by saturn, and in 1st house.
You are in the detriment of moon.
You being in your own house and in moon's detriment makes me wonder if you really even like this person.

saturn in first also shows limitations.
To me retrograde planets usually don't express theirself.
Also saturn being you show something limiting about your ability to act or there is a coldness with you toward this subject.

Moon shows to me no interest in you.

Moon is aspecting uranus...uranus is a sudden and usually manifest as a removal. His behavior toward you may change soon.

in his house there are presence of other planets. Sun and mercury.
He is also in sun's sign. Sun could be a person. But not that confident about saying it.

I personally don't think you are interested in this person and to me the chart showing you are not that invested in the outcome of this chart. I wonder if this chart is more so reading your concerns of this man possibly making a move toward you. I don't think he is interested in you (romantically/sexually) and I don't think you have much invested interested in him. He isn't going to make any unwelcome moves toward you and I think there could be a possibility his behaviors toward you is going to change drastically soon.


Practicing..tough chart for me though. Felt like a fog to me reading the chart.
Let the cookie crumble how it will crumble.

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If you want to ban the use of the sidereal zodiac here, then do it, but, please,, unlike the Traditional forum and Tom's censorship, acknowledge that it isn't a decision based on either historical or contemporary practice, but rather the views of the particular moderator.
Did I ban anything? I said there is a sidereal section for sidereal charts and there is. I didn't realize that is a form of oppression for you or anyone else.

The fact of the matter is that Stellar Tiggy is likely to end up talking to herself if she only posts sidereal charts here. I have yet to see you offer a sidereal reading.

Maybe post something constructive instead of criticizing everyone else? Being a moderator is a thankless task as it is. If you would like to volunteer, help yourself.

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:-cry :lol: Don't mind me getting in the middle, I have to say Tanit you seem to have figured out I talk to myself :D

I'm not opposed to a sidereal reading Konrad. Would love your thoughts!!

I originally read in sidereal as you can see from rhe first post. Good to have a second opinion.

Tan - not sure how open Kon is to reading but please allow it this once if he does!

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Tanit3333 wrote:
Isn't the sun automatically the co-ruler of the man? Or is this not definitive?
Deb Houlding states (via her research) that the Sun and Venus are read on their own (how they relate to one another only) as a descriptive factor in romance horaries. That is not the same thing as a co-ruler. Both planets can lord other things in a chart.

If you follow Frawley that is a different, I believe (I have not followed his own techniques, which he developed). He might allow them to perform perfection, if you use his techniques.

Those of us who respond use our own schooling and you can agree or disagree with them. Ultimately, this is your delineation as the astrologer of the chart. It sounds like you agree with me anyway regarding result, regardless of methods.
Yea, I totally agree with you. I'm just not as advanced so when I ask questions, it isn't out of contention, I'm really just asking for my learning. I'm not committed to anything and I've seen so many people reference the sun, so I was just wondering.
Thank you!
WJ

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Tanit3333 wrote:
If you want to ban the use of the sidereal zodiac here, then do it, but, please,, unlike the Traditional forum and Tom's censorship, acknowledge that it isn't a decision based on either historical or contemporary practice, but rather the views of the particular moderator.
Did I ban anything? I said there is a sidereal section for sidereal charts and there is. I didn't realize that is a form of oppression for you or anyone else.

The fact of the matter is that Stellar Tiggy is likely to end up talking to herself if she only posts sidereal charts here. I have yet to see you offer a sidereal reading.

Maybe post something constructive instead of criticizing everyone else? Being a moderator is a thankless task as it is. If you would like to volunteer, help yourself.
I apologise if I have misread your intentions - put it down to past experience and being on the internet when other things should have been taking precedence. My point about the sidereal zodiac not being exclusively Indian still stands though, though it is a common mistake to make.

As for the chart, Stellar Tiggy, I would not normally read this kind of question as you yourself admit that you are not really bothered by the outcome. However, the chart seems to fit the situation: Mercury cadent and combust suggests a lack of desire or ability and the man's intentions being hidden from you; Venus in the 7th suggests that he has someone already or is interested in someone; the moon, in effect, being void of course suggests that nothing will come of it, and even if we accept the application with Mars, the moon is besieged and without the aspect of the benefics, which does not bode well; and your significator Jupiter being retrograde and in the 1st, suggests that you are confused by the situation and are not really interested in the guy anyway. Really the only thing happening in the chart is the opposition between Jupiter and Venus, which may suggest that the other person will come to light or that the romantic notions between you and this guy will end.
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