amymaddalozzo wrote:I am still waiting for another October surprise Does anything in Biden's chart indicate that he could have a health issue in the near future?

Hi Amy,

Since Venus also rules radix 6th house of illness (Taurus at the cusp of H6), therefore Venus approaching Neptune (conjunct Biden’s ascendant) and Jupiter (Biden) could indicate his having health issues. However, I doubt this will happen before the election.

Here are my thoughts according to reading Transsaturnians in my 2nd chart, “X asks is Trump going to win????.

1. Mercury (Trump) conjunct H12 is separating from Uranus conjunct H6. A few weeks ago, we heard news of Trump’s sudden Covid infection and hospitalization. That incident is possibly coming from Mercury in Scorpio and Uranus in Taurus duo.

2. Since Mars (Scorpio) rules pestilence and hospital (H12) and Venus (Taurus) rules illness and health (H6), I started to see some possible connection between Trump’s sudden illness and Biden’s possible sudden health issue (but not necessary Covid) . . . see Grand Trine trio of Venus/Jupiter/Uranus.

3. I said this might happen after the election because Venus (illness) will take a while to perfect Neptune (deception and illusion). Venus will also be perfecting to Jupiter (Biden’s significator) after Neptune.

4. The time of Biden’s possible illness is, I think, indicated by the Moon (electorate). She will first apply to Mercury (Trump’s victory) then to Venus (rules illness) and to Neptune in Pisces (chaos) and finally to Jupiter (Biden). This could be indicating that Biden will suddenly have some health issue after the election.

these are some notes to a friend on the astro for tomorrow nights debate..
it is held in nashville tn at 9pm. the data i share is off krishnamurti sidereal positions.. i wrote them as i was looking at the data in bits and pieces...

regarding the 9pm chart...0 gemini 00 rising for 9pm nashville.. rahu rising and ketu setting.. not a chart that favours relationship, but one of upmanship... moon applying to saturn - another sign of difficulty and ackwardness on the emotional level and not encouraging of relationship, so much as maintaining status quo.... mars in square to jupiter is an aspect that encourages more indiscriminate actions on the part of both men... it is not a great set up and i think most people's fear around the uselessness of this debate are justified by my simple read here..

both charts have the moon-saturn conjunction in the event chart aspecting their natal saturns - not a good set up for either.. trump and biden have saturn 45 each others saturn, which is generally not a favourable aspect to have between 2 people... i suspect they don't really like each other, and this wouldn't help any...

my impression is the fact that gemini is rising for the full length of the debate favours trump... however, i think the fact that aquarius and then pisces is on the midheaven - changes onto pices at 10:17pm - technically 13 minutes into the end of it - favours biden in the last bit.... first part til 10:17 pm favours trump... after that it favours biden..

as for the overall transits to both mens charts - i think the angles and moon aspects are most important... other things are important too, but my general read is trump has an advantage given gemini rising... trump has mercury in gemini and the mercury- uranus opposition aligns with trumps mercury fairly well.. on the other hand biden has sun-mercury transiting his 12th house while mercury rules his 8th... gemini rising for the event chart puts the ascendant transiting his 8th house too...

it will be interesting to see how it plays out... there is a chance that the moon applying to saturn will force a more controlled and measured response from both men, but i doubt it will with trump.. one could argue that trump is too self centered to give a shit about how those who play fair view his behaviour... he acts like the petulant kid who the teacher tells to go sit outside the classroom for mis behaving! i suspect he will play it this way too.. i know nothing about the moderator, but she better be better then the last one! July 1, 1976, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.
that is her birthdate! - she has 3 planets in gemini - mercury at 0 gemini - where the ascendant is at 9pm... sun at 16 and venus at 20... although she is born in the same state as biden, i think these positions might favour trump... however looking closer the fact her sun-venus is squared onto pluto suggest the opposite... i can see her really bristling with trumps bullying nature.... i think the moderator chart favours biden without more thorough examination... looking a bit more closely, her moon is conjunct mars and in early leo right where trumps mars is... they have a mars conjunction and her mars is right there... depending on how this plays out, she is more likely to do battle with trump then side with him.... i again think this favours biden... we'll see... it will be interesting to see how it plays out!

Sidereium wrote:

I send my Forescast for USA Elections.

Thank you Mario. That has to be the most original technique I think I have seen! I have added your prediction to my list. Thank you.

On the USA chart you are using a Scorpio rising chart for the USA right?

Also you mention a chart for the US constitution. However, there are three dates: signing, ratification by the states and coming into legal effect?

Mark

james_m, Since they are muting the candidates, I was wondering who is going to mute the moderator?

kali, lol good question... i suspect it won't be a walk in the park for her either... moon-saturn in the 8th to her 3 gemini planets - indian astro view...

kali wrote:james_m, Since they are muting the candidates, I was wondering who is going to mute the moderator?

About "muting the candidates" and moderator's role I would refer to my earlier post with chart of the first debate with Chris Wallace moderating.
https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/servic ... 16/enhance
Obviously Mercury in 6th ruled by Mars in 12th hinting on something like that...

Hi Mark
the natal chart of the USA, which I use is the one proposed by Alexander Marr.
Kind Regards

Siderium wrote:

Hi Mark
the natal chart of the USA, which I use is the one proposed by Alexander Marr.
Kind Regards

Hi Mario,

There is no such thing Mario as a 'natal chart' for the USA. First off many would argue countries are not like nativities. They don't have one birth moment. At least not one the astrological community agrees on. There are charts for Gemini, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio and Sagittarius rising on July 4th. Then there are charts for July 2nd when the Continental Congress actually voted to separate from Britain. Some go back to 1775 when the Continental Congress declared war on Great Britain. I could go on but it would require a full article....

What chart was Alexander Marr using?

Thanks

Mark

USA: Jul 4, 1776 Time:07:43:40 UT, Philadelphia.
ASC=15°21´Geminis; MH=21°14´Aquarius

Thank You Mario.

I am more familiar with the usual version of the Gemini rising chart with 8 Gemini rising. I will not get into the wider issue here of whether the Gemini rising chart has any historical validity or not.

Mark

james_m, these are my thoughts on your analysis of the election chart of last nights debates. Mars square Jupiter effect showed two men who toned down their impulsive energy with considered forethought and strategy. First debate I watched until the end, was very engaged and found it interesting. I was impressed with Biden's ability to focus and if he lost his thought, he quickly recovered. Trump definitely kept his impulsive nature in check. To me this shows he does have command of himself and uses his composure or lack of it to persuade as he sees fit. I saw a poll that show Mexican's loved the first debate. They said that is the way they argue politics at home. I thought that was insightful.

The moderator was great! Although that Mars/Mars energy with Trump did show it's self as she repeatedly tried to stop him so she could ask her questions. Listening to Trump's final thoughts was difficult when trying to listen over her. The contrast was palpable. When Biden spoke it was quiet until he finished. The argument could be made if you let Trump go until he finished he would go on and on. This technique I believe is Trump's way of demonstrating he's in control/command of the situation which is what you want a leader to show. (upmanship?)

Hi,
Hope I got the quote function to work properly. It began with an exchange between Siderium and Mark. Mark makes a claim there is no such thing as a natal chart for the U.S.. Could be but Then continues, countries are not like nativities.

Mark wrote:Siderium wrote:

Hi Mark
the natal chart of the USA, which I use is the one proposed by Alexander Marr.
Kind Regards

Hi Mario,
There is no such thing Mario as a 'natal chart' for the USA. First off many would argue countries are not like nativities. They don't have one birth moment. At least not one the astrological community agrees on. There are charts for Gemini, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio and Sagittarius rising on July 4th. Then there are charts for July 2nd when the Continental Congress actually voted to separate from Britain. Some go back to 1775 when the Continental Congress declared war on Great Britain. I could go on but it would require a full article....
What chart was Alexander Marr using?
Thanks
Mark

That should be the end of Quotes.

Here is link to online Tetrabiblos.
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrolo ... -stars.php

To save you time I reproduce text here.
Now that the subject at hand has been set forth, it is reasonable to attach to this section this further consideration - that each of the fixed stars has familiarity with the countries with which the parts of the zodiac, which have the same inclinations as the fixed stars upon the circle drawn through its poles, appear to exert sympathy; furthermore, that, in the case of metropolitan cities, those regions of the zodiac are most sympathetic through which the sun and moon, and of the centres especially the horoscope, were passing at the first founding of the city, as in a nativity, But in cases in which the exact times of the foundations are not discovered, the regions are sympathetic in which falls the mid­heaven of the nativities of those who held office or were kings at the time. END

I believe the last few lines let's us know if the first founding of a city were known they would use such a chart. Notice .... as in a nativity.

How then may we read a foundation chart like a nativity? Rather easy in fact, just change a few names into a mundane context.

Example, Say we are reading the U.S. Sib chart with aspects that may connect us to Mother and or Father as in a nativity.

Who are they. They, Mom n Dad are the first people we encounter in our lives who exercise authority over us.

Who might they be in mundane. Quite a few on the list. The U.N., IMF, WTO, WHO, International Court of Justice and several more.

So instead of using Mom n Dad, aspects involving our country chart may show some involvement with such world or Mundane groups like above.

7H is adversaries and or associates, litigation. So instead of reading as if our wife or husband or some close associate or adversary is involved, In mundane these can be other countries or even groups I listed above, like the ICJ. Then continue to find solution to these matters as you would in a natal but now on a world scale.

In natal we may say 8H is the others assets etc.. In mundane it now becomes other countries assets.

Take a look at the so called Sib chart for U.S. with Sag rising. The U.S. Sun in 8H. 8th is second to 7th or the house of assets to U.S. associates or adversaries, 7H.

With Sun in natal 8H of assets of others we see the U.S. attempts to control, confiscate or even demolish the assets of other countries. That is a natal signature for the U.S..

If something may point to the house of Siblings, shift gears again. The countries involved here may be Canada, Mexico, Cuba and others very close to the U.S..

There are many more examples to discover once we put our thinking cap on. Read older texts on natal such as, Rhtorius, Paulus and many more for ideas how to change Mom n Dad, siblings and many others into mundane charts.

In mean time, Here is hoping You and Yours are as bug n virus free as can be. Michaelb