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181 by james_m
hi kali,

thanks for sharing all of what you did in the post to me especially the mexican viewpoint..

unfortunately i was unable to watch the debate as i was away and travelling... it seems like it went much better on a few levels then the first one!

i am tempted to modify my perspectives on astrology on a regular basis... now based on what i have heard i am more inclined to believe the main transit of last night which overshadowed everything was the moon conjunction saturn - a dignified saturn in capricorn and in a nocturnal chart no less! and this conjunction was in the 8th house too! so, i am now tossing out all the negativity associated with saturn, saturn in a nocturnal chart and moon conjunct saturn! my reasoning is that maintaining the status quo and proper decorum was indeed strong enough to instil some sanity in the whole thing!! cheers james who is always revising his astrological viewpoint!

michaelb1

i think marks point was that the focus of this thread is on the 2020 usa presidential race and that he didn't want to get into just what it appears you are want to get into!! there is this thing here on skyscript where the moderators work hard to maintain thread integrity by keeping the focus on the topic of the thread... obviously some posters don''t value it the same and some don't even think about it... that's my fwiw 2 c's..

182 by kali
james_m, My response was to give feedback to what you predicted for the debate. You had a strong opinion of how Mar/Jupiter would play out. We spoke of the Mars connection between Trump and the moderator and I want to describe what I thought actually happened.

kali

183 by james_m
kali,

yes and i appreciated that! i still don't see mars-jupiter in square as a user friendly type aspect.. however, i think it was overshadowed by the moon-saturn here.. that is my take.. i appreciate your viewpoint regardless! for me - the fire planets - mars and jupiter, are more problematic in square aspect....that the problems didn't manifest is good, but i chalk that up to other factors! cheers james

184 by Mark
Michaelb1 wrote:
Hope I got the quote function to work properly. It began with an exchange between Siderium and Mark. Mark makes a claim there is no such thing as a natal chart for the U.S..
I meant no undisputed chart. Clearly many astrologers claim to have the one , true and exclusively valid chart for the USA. This is a complex matter for both historical and philosophical reasons. I really dont think we can do justice to such as question on a thread like this. I also lack the time to get into this issue personally just now as I am still involved in collating predictions for the US Presidential election and completing my own very belated article I am still finalising.

Nevertheless, I do think this is a very interesting topic. And yes I do think mundane charts for countries are not the same as nativities. I would suggest once the hubub of the US election is finally over we revisit this is a new thread which I will open and invite you to participate in. I would suggest a title like 'Do Countries Have One or Many charts?''

Best wishes,

Mark
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

185 by kali
james_m wrote:kali,

yes and i appreciated that! i still don't see mars-jupiter in square as a user friendly type aspect.. however, i think it was overshadowed by the moon-saturn here.. that is my take.. i appreciate your viewpoint regardless! for me - the fire planets - mars and jupiter, are more problematic in square aspect....that the problems didn't manifest is good, but i chalk that up to other factors! cheers james
The debate was definitely fiery with lots of exaggerated accusations on both sides but the emotions were in check. Interesting to compare with first debate when Mars was applying to Jupiter, to this debate where Mars is separating. Considering the Moon represents the public, it tells the story of how people saw the two debates. 1st debate Moon is in sextile with Jupiter as he is in square with Mars and most saw chaos. 2nd debate Moon conj Saturn and people experienced a much more controlled environment. Hard for me to discount the Mars/Jupiter effect. :-)

kali

187 by Tham
Yuriy wrote:I think since Woody Allen and Uma Thurman have Algol on MC, then we shouldn't worry about Trump's MC...

1. Woody Allen and Uma Thurman are not sitting in the most powerful chair in the world.

2. They don't have to worry about Tecumseh's curse either.


" With the Midheaven in particular it can indicate murder, a sudden death and beheading. Donald Trump is at risk of being assassinated by a shot to the head or neck. "

https://astrologyking.com/donald-trump-horoscope/


And Mars near an already aggressive Regulus puts him in even more danger.

189 by Yuriy
Tham wrote:
Yuriy wrote:I think since Woody Allen and Uma Thurman have Algol on MC, then we shouldn't worry about Trump's MC...

1. Woody Allen and Uma Thurman are not sitting in the most powerful chair in the world.

2. They don't have to worry about Tecumseh's curse either.


" With the Midheaven in particular it can indicate murder, a sudden death and beheading. Donald Trump is at risk of being assassinated by a shot to the head or neck. "

https://astrologyking.com/donald-trump-horoscope/


And Mars near an already aggressive Regulus puts him in even more danger.
Well, beside of the fixed stars possible influences we need to look at whole chart, 8th house, etc.
Fixed star alone not causing violent death.

190 by kali
james_m: When I thought about it, you can't take the energy (Mars) out of the event anymore than take out Moon/Saturn which brings order. Ten more days!

Thank for engaging with me!

kali
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