Thank you for sharing your story Maleja.
Scorpio rising shows the fixity of your purpose and not wanting to let go with the ruler Mars in Gemini in the 8th, trying to bring a rationale to your attachment. And Venus being weak by sign and house and being combust can hardly deliver his promises. Otherwise, the sextile Venus/Mars is a nice aspect for communication.
And the Moon is not cooperating (circumstances, environment, changes) which can bring frustrations. It is like saying "I have a ticket for the concert tonight' but you have no transportation to get there, your sister has lost your ticket somewhere, your boss wants you to come in early on the next morning and your best friend just broke her ankle. Not that I am wishing you any of this but you see how circumstances can define the road.
And above all, Horary astrology is cruel because there is always a Yes or No at the end of the question. But in all cases, YOU decide.
Just wishing sometimes we could just answer with a hug facing a Horary question. We are all students here. No one holds the truth, just trying to be helpful.

Thank you so much Ouranos.

You are so right, look, in the last 6 months of our relationship is been a mess, and Saturn is hitting our 7th composite, exactly for what you said: circumstances, environment, changes. something always comes, something happens unexpectedly, something is always happening that does not allow us to be "together". Its like oh let's travel, oh I can't, I just had a big mess with my family and I can't. So it's exactly what you said.

I don't understand when you said

Horary astrology is cruel because there is always a Yes or No at the end of the question. But in all cases, YOU decide.

Is like even the chart say No, do I have the power to decide? I'm not just clear about that. If I have the power to decide, why then all the outcomes are accurated?


Thank you so much
Light for you on your way
<3

MarkF wrote:

Perhaps if Venus was not combust the Sun but still had this negative reception going on, that might show a potential meeting but not a meaningful reconciliation. Combust the Sun though tells me that you are not going to see him for the foreseeable future.

I'll admit that I was partly wrong about this. The coming sextile between the two significators does show a coming meeting so this isn't too surprising. I still don't see much coming out of this, for all of the reason that I initially gave and all the other find work by the others on here. This is a very clear chart.

This most likely shows that this relationship is not good for him, even if he still has feelings for you. Mars is right on the cusp of the 6th house, which is associated with work and servitude. The Sun rules the 10th house, the house of careers and jobs. Does he have a job that he feels trapped in? That 6th - 10th house symbolism plus being combust suggests that to me.

If this chart can show his job concerns that it also is likely to show that this reconciliation will not last.

Also, the real question was about reconciliation, will there be reconciliation between us?, I made a mistake saying here about communication too, I just intuited that for there to be a reconciliation there has to be a communication, then I realized that I was wrong so I decided to make the question will there be communication between us in less than a month? because a communication does not imply a reconciliation. Am I right? so I think the two charts are valid for that reason.

Now my question now if there was a "reconciliation" in the near future, but the chart said "no", then something changes along the way? I probably sound a bit confused haha. Something happened that changed the end result, reconciliation existed in a material way, that implies that something changed for reasons we don't know. Does it mean that then if a break occurs again, can I ask again and a different result will come out? independent if it is another no or a yes. you tell me that probably nothing will come out of this reconciliation but I didn't ask that, I did ask something diferent, but the reconciliation was a fact.

If the decision changed, then what else can change?

I do not want to sound like annoying or incredulous, it really is not like that, they are just questions that arise according to what I have read.

Thank you Mark.
Blessings.

First, I want you to know I understand the way you don't like this chart. I really do. I've had a fair share of gloomy romance charts read for dear, close friends.

An article on Skyscript explains why a chart always depicts the situation no matter how we ask, given that our general intention is clear:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/elwell1.html

I strongly recommend a read. A horary chart cannot be invalidated by a supposed "wrong" way to phrase the question.

A Skyscript member once asked if he would ever see a woman again. The chart said no. Some time later, though, he saw her again.

The chart was not considered wrong and this is for good reasons. Members (some are professional astrologers) pointed out that the chart did not say NO because he would never see the woman again, but because the relationship came to nothing in the end. See the thread here:

"Will I see X again?"
http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=488

In any case, if you've made up your mind to give it a go, it doesn't matter if the chart says you have 30%, 10%, or 5% chance. It would be my humble advice to cast horary aside, stop beating up these charts or massaging the questions until you find a yes, and just work on the relationship.

When Ouranos said you had a choice, he didn't mean to say your choice will necessarily change the outcome. It's the same when someone says you aren't qualified for a job, and you decide to go to the interview anyway - this is your choice. The effort matters, if for nothing else, then for the experience, or the comfort in the fact that we've at least tried? My friends never listened to the charts and let go of their relationships (honestly, how many of us would?), though those charted relationships never worked out in the end. Here is their favourite aphorism: at least I've tried.

Amelia

Hey Amelia,

The two charts that I do are the only charts I did.

Oh no, I don’t mind about the answer of the chart, I’ll see how I handle my relationship, a very profesional astrologer did to my mom a horary chart a few years ago, my mom asked him if she will divorce my dad, I saw the chart and I can post it here if you like, a few astrologers did too, all of them say yes, you will divorce. It’s been 15 years, they haven’t. Also, I assume the outcomes of the chart for what I read are Max 1 year. You said it was like the chart said no but then they separated 12 years later, I doubt that was the answer of the chart in that time. In 12 years many things happens, I’m just curious about things. Don’t take it like I’m teasing this because I’m not.

Now, I don’t think you clearly understand my question, I’m sure the chart can give a big insight about the situation and a result but in this case for example he didn’t ask to the chart will I be in a relationship with this person?, No, he asked will I see her again? In fact he saw that person again. That’s why I think the real porpouse to ask properly and straightforward questions to Horary because is simple.

Im reading the link

Thank you again for your special time.

Deb Houlding once said on here that Venus when debilitated is the most malefic of planets. This is of course a misnomer because Venus is a benefic planet but in life, love creates the most difficult times. You have a very debilitated Venus in your chart, so I'd expect more of what you've already been through.

The wording of a question doesn't matter so much, not usually at least. Once I did a chart asking if I would get this temporary job in Scotland. My signigicator was in the 9th house, a clear yes. The rest of the chart indicated that this would be a bad experience. I didn't ask what my experience in Scotland would be like, only if I would get the assignment. Still the chart gave me the full answer, even though I didn't specifically ask. Scotland and the Scottish people were wonderful by the way. The problems all arose from other things.

maleja.rangel wrote:Hey Amelia,

The two charts that I do are the only charts I did.

Oh no, I don’t mind about the answer of the chart, I’ll see how I handle my relationship, a very profesional astrologer did to my mom a horary chart a few years ago, my mom asked him if she will divorce my dad, I saw the chart and I can post it here if you like, a few astrologers did too, all of them say yes, you will divorce. It’s been 15 years, they haven’t. Also, I assume the outcomes of the chart for what I read are Max 1 year. You said it was like the chart said no but then they separated 12 years later, I doubt that was the answer of the chart in that time. In 12 years many things happens, I’m just curious about things. Don’t take it like I’m teasing this because I’m not.

Now, I don’t think you clearly understand my question, I’m sure the chart can give a big insight about the situation and a result but in this case for example he didn’t ask to the chart will I be in a relationship with this person?, No, he asked will I see her again? In fact he saw that person again. That’s why I think the real porpouse to ask properly and straightforward questions to Horary because is simple.

Im reading the link

Thank you again for your special time.

I think you misunderstood some of my comments. No... my point was I wouldn't have quoted my experience, if any of my charts was such 12-year case. None of them was.

Commentators on the thread "Will I meet X" made excellent points on why it doesn't matter how the question is phrased.

Anyhow, I wish you the best!