In another thread, we had great success using the "monthly" Solar Ingresses for events. (using Krishnamurti, the monthly ingresses seemed valid...the results using Fagan-Bradley were abysmal)

I'd like to post here, when there are major events, to check for "correct angularity and Moon aspects" for these charts, as a check for this methodology.

Let me start with the Sacramento Shooting, that just occurred on Apr. 3rd, 2022.

Pisces Ingress

Sun 00 PI 00 00
Ingress Chart
Mar 14 2022
9:26:42 AM
PDT +07:00:00
Sacramento
California USA

Uranus @ Asc, Pluto @ MC, no tight Moon aspects

Uranus-Pluto seems appropriate for a sudden shooting that left (at least) 6 people dead.

Atlantean, I'm happy that you are continuing work with monthly solar ingress charts which have highligted the Krishnamurti ayanamsa as it is currently set using the Swiss Ephemeris. I'll try to note current events. Thanks for posting the full data on the Sacramento shooting. There have been many shootings lately which I think may be related to Uranus transiting Mars ruled Aries.

I've had health concerns recently that have kept me silent on Skyscript but will try to post the Pisces Sacramento ingress chart later today.

Here is a comparison of the Krishnamurti and Fagan-Bradley Pisces ingress charts for the Sacramento shooting (Six people killed and at least a dozen wounded in downtown Sacramento on Sunday, 3 April 2022.)

Both Uranus (in the Asc degree) and Pluto (MC) are in key positions in the KM chart. But Mars is square the ascendant in the FB chart. The Moon has the angular square from Uranus and opposition from Mars in the KM chart. Saturn opposes the Moon in the FB chart, though not in an angular location.

If were doing a mathematical comparison of angular planets and aspects we would need to be very precise with orbs. We can see that without the comparison with Krishnamurti, Fagan astrologers could claim the aspect of Mars to the ascendant and Saturn aspect to the Moon would show the mass shooting.

ANGULARITY

Since Atlantean's research has been looking only at angular planets, we actually have six angular points since the Nonagesimal (zenith)/Nadir axis as points in square to the horizon are just as important as the MC/IC axis. At least this is what my research over many years has shown. This is why I illustrate charts with equal house angles and offset the MC/IC. I believe that the Fagan-Bradley school doesn't give much emphasis to the NG/Nadir axis as angles, if indeed any emphasis at all.

I also think that very close aspects to angular planets should be considered, but that adds another wrinkle to Atlantean's research. In the Krishnamurti Sacramento ingress chart although Mars opposes the Moon at 16 degrees at the nadir, is it too far from the 18 degree ascendant point (6 degrees) to be considered angular? Then the Venus opposition from the Moon is only 5 degrees from the ascendant degree. So it seems best to stay with only angularity for now and note the orbs of planets to angles.

EDIT: Atlantean, how many degrees of orb are you allowing for planets on the angles? Can you consider six angles (NG/Nadir) plus Asc/Desc and MC/IC??

As for Pluto and mass shootings, in Reading 1735-2 Edgar Cayce told a client: "...as seen in Mars and Vulcan (Pluto) beware of fire and especially of firearms..."

Indian astrological note: Both the Ascendant and Uranus are in the mansion (nakshatra) of Venus, and Venus is conjunct Mars which conjoins Pluto at the MC.

Thanks, Therese

Re: "I believe that the Fagan-Bradley school doesn't give much emphasis to the NG/Nadir axis as angles, if indeed any emphasis at all."

They do, in fact, consider squares to the horizon, as well as connections to the East Point, for example.

I haven't added the aspects to angular planets to keep it more obvious as to whether Krishnamurti or Fagan-Bradley are working better. [So that we don't have for instance, a shooting, with a FB chart with Jupiter and Venus at the angles and then we consider this completely inappropriate astrology as valid, because Jupiter is squaring Mars. (pretending this indicates the overall violence) I believe those postitions are VALID, don't get me wrong, and even IMPORTANT as they flesh out the meanings for the angular planet. Still, in the name of "purity" I have omitted those.]

Re: Zenith/Nadir

Yeah, that seems a very good suggestion. Done.

Thanks for the Cayce quote. In my opinion, one can't read too much Edgar Cayce.

Atlantean wrote:

I haven't added the aspects to angular planets to keep it more obvious as to whether Krishnamurti or Fagan-Bradley are working better. [So that we don't have for instance, a shooting, with a FB chart with Jupiter and Venus at the angles and then we consider this completely inappropriate astrology as valid, because Jupiter is squaring Mars. (pretending this indicates the overall violence) I believe those positions are VALID, don't get me wrong, and even IMPORTANT as they flesh out the meanings for the angular planet. Still, in the name of "purity" I have omitted those.]

Yes, at least for now I agree that it's best to stay only with angular planets for purity and clarity. This avoids the all too common astrological research problem of too many techniques mixed together in the pot. The Moon, however is probably a neutral and a receptor. In the Sacramento KM Pisces ingress chart placed at the nadir it receives the aspect of Uranus on the ascendant. So they are a unit.

Andrews Crash, March 15, 2022 (13 year old driver has a head-on crash that killed nine)

Pisces Ingress

Sun 00 PI 00 00
Mar 14 2022
11:26:42 AM
CDT +05:00:00
Andrews
Texas USA

Saturn @ MC, Node @ Asc, Moon @ IC, Moon squares Uranus and is opposite Mars, perfect astrology for a tragic, fatal auto accident. I believe the Moon's octile to Neptune "enhances" the mournful quality of the accident. Mars-Uranus is also fitting for the cause of the accident, the sudden failure (explosion) of a spare tire the truck was running on...

Las Vegas Shooting, February 26, 2022 (shooting of 14 people at a hookah bar)

Aquarius Ingress

Sun 00 AQ 00 00
Feb 12 2022
11:39:48 AM
PST +08:00:00
Las Vegas
Nevada USA

Saturn and Sun @ MC, Moon opposite a Mars-Venus conjunction, perfect astrology for a tragic shooting in a place of amusement. (with Sun indicating a necessary strong governmental reaction) Jupiter is square the Asc, perhaps indicating the "luck" that with 14 people shot, only one had died.

Considering our previous comparison (where Krishnamurti monthly ingresses performed so spectacularly, especially in comparison to those using the FB ayanamsa); and now, with this current study...the charts are showing a spectacular reliability, in the main!

NOTE: Because of the one-sidedness of the previous study's results, I am no longer doing comparisons, rather posting only the Krishnamurti.

Therese, you can continue comparing them openly, if you'd like...here as well... I just don't see the point, any more. [as for this monthly ingress technique, the FB charts were already extremely unreliable, so further trying them with this technique (imho) is no longer justified]

Fire in Philadelphia Rowhouse, January 5, 2022 (13 people died)

Sagittarius Ingress

Sun 00 SG 00 00
Dec 15 2021
2:57:21 PM
EST +05:00:00
Philadelphia
Pennsylvania USA

Saturn @ MC, Mars @ Dsc, Uranus-Moon-Node @ Asc, with Moon square Saturn and conjunct Uranus, is perfect for the fire (Mars angular) as well as for property damage (Saturn square Moon, and Saturn angular). Large loss of life hinted at by the Pluto-Venus conjunction. (grief of saying goodbye to loved ones)

Atlantean wrote:

Therese, you can continue comparing them openly, if you'd like...here as well... I just don't see the point, any more. [as for this monthly ingress technique, the FB charts were already extremely unreliable, so further trying them with this technique (imho) is no longer justified]

The comparison would be extremely important for astrologers who believe the Fagan Bradley (Synetic point) ayanamsa is forever set in stone as "THE" one true universally valid sidereal ayanamsa. But is anyone watching from Jim Eshelman's Solunars site? If so, they are remaining silent.

Someone asked for opinions here on Skyscript about Jim Eshelman's association with Aleister Crowley's organization. My answer (opinion) is that this dubious association can easily lead to belief in astrological principles that can later be found to be false or not useful for astrologers. (This circumstance due to lack of true and valid inspiration.)

Jim has rejected a number of standard astrological principles and devised a set of personal techniques that weren't emphasized or used by Cyril Fagan and other early siderealists. But above all is the dogma of the unquestioned irrecoverable value of the FB ayanamsa and the unwillingness to consider alternatives.

Re: "The comparison would be extremely important for astrologers who believe the Fagan Bradley (Synetic point) ayanamsa is forever set in stone as "THE" one true universally valid sidereal ayanamsa."

Yes, I will not argue with you that the comparison might very well be important. I'm presenting these Krishnamurti charts, to show that these do, in fact, work stupendously. As for the comparison, any FB proponents are welcomed to show how Fagan-Bradley works better in any particular case.

In other words, if we assume that Krishnamurti is the "true way," then for those that have gotten off the path, we point to the correct path...it's up to others to realign themselves...

Re: Eshelman's methods

Yes, there are some eclectic things thrown in there and I'm a little skeptical (still) on his idea of dormancy of ingress charts. On the other hand, one would be hard-pressed to find as many (good) resources on their site (as Solunars has) and no one could say that Eshelman doesn't appear tireless in his pursuit. I have trouble there, coloring within the lines (as you might expect lol). Still, I find it worthy enough to keep posting there, though I have to admit that many of my posts relate to Age Harmonics or other techniques that aren't really a part of "Sidereal astrology." For me, if something IS working, it's philosophical underpinnings are secondary to how useful as a TOOL something is...

Re: Krishnamurti vs FB

My problem is...these monthly charts really appear to show Krishnamurti as correct. On the other hand, I worked up dozens and dozens of events using Jim's methods (and the FB ayanamsa) and way beyond chance, the charts were readable and underscored exactly what happened, relative to the event. This is a bit puzzling, but I am trying to chalk it up to different approaches. We're using monthly ingress charts, they are not. They are using the Cap-Solar as the year chart (when it's not dormant) and here, we are not. The scientific side of me (and I do have a 1st place State math award - Illinois), is telling me it's EITHER Krishnamurti OR FB, it can't be that both are correct...