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2 by johannes susato
If you follow Lilly, CA, p. 83, you find the solution.
(Read [NN] for North Node; [0°] for Conjunction).

Lilly:
"The Head of the Dragon is Masculine, of the nature of JU
and VE, and of himselfe a Fortune; yet the Ancients doe say,
that being in [0°] with the good he is good, and in [0°] with the
evill Planets they account him evill.
The Tayle of the Dragon is Feminine by nature, and cleane
contrary to the Head; for he is evill when joyned with the good
Planets, and good when in conjunction with the malignant
Planets. This is the constant opinion of all the Ancients, but
upon what reason grounded I know not; I ever found the [NN]
equivalent to either of the Fortunes, and when joyned with
the evill Planets to lessen their malevolent signification; when
joyned with the good to encrease the good promised by them
For the Tayle of the Dragon, I alwayes in my practise found
when he was joyned with the evill Planets; their malice or the
evill intended thereby was doubled and trebled, or extreamly
augmented, &c. and when he chanced to be in conjunction with
any of the Fortunes who were significators in the question,
though the matter by the principall significator was fairely
promised, and likely to be perfected in a small time; yet did
there ever fal out many rubs and disturbances, much wrangling
and great controversie, that the businnese was many times given
over for desperate ere a perfect conclusion could be had; and
unlesse the principall significators were Angular and well for-
tified with essentiall dignities, many times unexpectedly the
whole matter came to nothing."

3 by johannes susato
Considering the quotation above, the illness of Mars in peregrination is
extremely augmented by the South Node.

Saturn's illness (in his detriment in Leo, only lessened by the smallest dignity
of his face) can surely be added to this bad Mars, because the trine between
both of them signifies rather the easy connection (and addition) of the bad-
ness of Mars and Saturn than that it could decrease their evil.

4 by Carl
I recall reading that but Lilly appears to be the exception. In ancient Greece they believed the tail weakened the malefics. I wonder if they ever tested those assumptions. Lilly seems to have done his homework
. Also astrology wasn't banned in England at a time astrologers eere being burned in the stake in other countries. That may have helped Lilly.
I wonder what those who follow the Hellenistic tradition have to say?

Thanks

5 by Carl
Orisis wrote:I recall reading that but Lilly appears to be the exception. In ancient Greece they believed the tail weakened the malefics. I wonder if they ever tested those assumptions. Lilly seems to have done his homework
. Also astrology wasn't banned in England at a time astrologers eere being burned in the stake in other countries. That may have helped Lilly.
I wonder what those who follow the Hellenistic tradition have to say?

Thanks

6 by james_m
orisis

it is interesting the 2 examples you give were born less then a day apart - same year...

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the nodes are regarded as malefics, regardless of everything else that gets said.. planets in angles have the power to act, and in both these charts one can note mars-rka in the angles... both individuals were born within a few days of the solar eclipse.. both charts have a moon having recently been in a conjunction with the planet mars as well... mars is strongly placed in scorpio... i believe the fact that mars is in an angle has greater ability to act in a malevolent way here.. charts are in sidereal... you have to take the chart as a whole, as opposed to relying on only one isolated feature of the chart.. i guess this goes without saying..

7 by Martin Gansten
Orisis wrote:In ancient Greece they believed the tail weakened the malefics.
I'd be interested to see a Greek source for that if you have one. I can't recall seeing it discussed in pre-Islamic sources.
james_m wrote:the nodes are regarded as malefics, regardless of everything else that gets said..
Only in Indian astrology, as far as I know. The north node generally gets a good press in the Arabic and Latin traditions.
https://astrology.martingansten.com/

8 by Carl
Martin Gansten wrote:
Orisis wrote:In ancient Greece they believed the tail weakened the malefics.
I'd be interested to see a Greek source for that if you have one. I can't recall seeing it discussed in pre-Islamic sources.
james_m wrote:the nodes are regarded as malefics, regardless of everything else that gets said..
Only in Indian astrology, as far as I know. The north node generally gets a good press in the Arabic and Latin traditions.
Rhetorius page 131 but there are others. Charles Obert too but he isnt an ancient source
https://www.astro-seek.com/birth-chart/ ... -horoscope the pianist who survived the Warsaw getho

9 by Ouranos
Looking at the Queen's nodal axis, I must say that the SN is not a bad thing here.
SN conjunct AS in Capricorn
The ruler Saturn conjunct MC in a T-Square with MA-JU and MO-NE... and sextile AS
NN in Cancer ruler MO - SN in Capricorn ruler SA

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10 by Therese Hamilton
Orisis wrote:
In ancient Greece they believed the tail weakened the malefics.

Martin wrote:
I'd be interested to see a Greek source for that if you have one. I can't recall seeing it discussed in pre-Islamic sources.

Orisis wrote:
Rhetorius page 131 but there are others.
"The Ascending Node is good with benefics while the Descending Node is good with the malefics."
Rhetorius The Egyptian, translated from the Greek by James H. Holden, AFA, 2009, p. 132.

At least in this translation, nothing about the south node weakening malefics as such (on the cited page 131 [132 in Holden]).
http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm

11 by Martin Gansten
Therese Hamilton wrote:At least in this translation, nothing about the south node weakening malefics as such (on the cited page 131 [132 in Holden]).
No, but arguably it's implied. Thanks to you both. I had forgotten that about Rhetorius. He's quite late in the Greek tradition, though, which I think is probably significant. The use of the nodes may be a Persian influence.
https://astrology.martingansten.com/

12 by Carl
Therese Hamilton wrote:
Orisis wrote:
In ancient Greece they believed the tail weakened the malefics.

Martin wrote:
I'd be interested to see a Greek source for that if you have one. I can't recall seeing it discussed in pre-Islamic sources.

Orisis wrote:
Rhetorius page 131 but there are others.
"The Ascending Node is good with benefics while the Descending Node is good with the malefics."
Rhetorius The Egyptian, translated from the Greek by James H. Holden, AFA, 2009, p. 132.

At least in this translation, nothing about the south node weakening malefics as such (on the cited page 131 [132 in Holden]).
Only if you dont want to see it.
Its god with malefics because it sucks them of their energy. Obvious
In a podcast about nodes Chris Brennan mentions Bonatti as well
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