Hi everyone,

I'm familiar with the approach which claims that multiple questions judged from the same chart are okay in certain cases.

Here's John Frawley's take on the subject (his Horary book, page 140, non revised addition):
Supplementary questions are fine. 'When will I marry? Will we have children? Will he get along with my family? Will he have a good job?' These can all be judged from the same chart. But it is best to discourage questions on different issues: 'When will I marry? When will I get a better job? Where is the cat?' Sometimes querents will have two or three issues weighing on them, so if necessary these questions can be answered from the same chart. But the asking of many unrelated questions suggests that none of them is the real issue. It is better to ask the querent to reflect on what is most important and then ask that.


And here's Barbara Dunn's take on the same issue (her Horary book, from chapter 12 'the question'):
It is possible to ask more than one Question if they are all in the Querent's mind at the same time. One chart could also answer more then one Querent. It will describe every event that is happening in that place at that time and will yield a variety of answers according to the Question and significators.


My question is about the theoretical model which you think may underline the possibility of answering multiple questions from the same chart. I thought about two possible models:

1) The "classic horary model" in which the time of the question is vital (Like B. Dunn says). Under such a reference system all questions which may be asked of the astrologer are valid and can be judged from the same chart.
Under such a model the querent must ask about all which s/he is bothered by, or otherwise "miss the train" so to speak.

2) The idea that once a horary is created to answer a querent's plea, that horary should inform us of all which is happening to the querent at this point in his/her life.
Under such a premise, even if the querent would ask follow up questions at a later time (say a second phone call tomorrow), we could still answer those, as the horary gives as the key to understand what's going on with the querent at a certain point in time. That is even if s/he would ask a question which is unrelated to the original question. Say the querent asked about his job and later would ask about his relationship.
(*) And yeah, it seems that B. Dunn is a proponent of the first model.

What do you think?

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PS.
I often get clients which ask many questions at once, sometimes in a manner which is more specific and warrants an horary approach rather than a natal-predictive one.
I don't know whether it's just the case here in Israel, and wonder whether you get these as well, and what do you do in such cases.

Dima Gur wrote:
Under such a model the querent must ask about all which s/he is bothered by, or otherwise "miss the train" so to speak.

But have you ever travelled in more than one train at the same time?

I would say yes if the questions are related.
But sometimes, multiple questions can indicate a confused mind in which case it is important to clarify the question with the querent by asking exactly what is important for him/her.
For example, someone may ask 'Will he leave me?' while the real question might be 'Will I keep the house if he leaves me?'
But the more questions you have, the more difficult it is to give a clear answer.
So, that is why a simple question calling for a Yes or No is easier.

Here is an example of William Lilly multiple charts reading.
Article by David Plant
http://skyscript.co.uk/CA455.html

Ouranos wrote: Here is an example of William Lilly multiple charts reading.
Article by David Plant
http://skyscript.co.uk/CA455.html

Indeed, an excellent example of answering 4 related questions from 1 chart, Ouranos.

J. Susato:
A bit tired and overworked currently, so you'll have to say it in simple words
About your trains metaphor, I assume you're in favor of the second model I've proposed, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Ouranos:
Clarifying the question is important, not doubt, but that isn't what I'm asking about.
In an ideal world every client would ask one question, but the norm seems to be asking several questions (for me at least).
It's more complex, yes, but complex isn't equal to impossible or 'stay away'. In cases where complexity is the case we need to hone our technique and adhere to principles. Hence, my question.
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I'll check D. Plant's article, thanks.

I distinctly remember one of the medieval masters advised using the triplicity rulers of the first house for multiple questions. First triplicity ruler for first question, second triplicity ruler for second... also note that, in Dorotheus's system (whose terms are commonly called the "Egyptian terms"), each sign has 3 triplicity rulers.

I am having difficulties locating a source right now. Could it be Bonatti? Or Lilly? Perhaps someone could help me out.

I have never tested out this method though. Big questions (which the horary is supposed to be for) usually do not come for me all at once, touch wood.

AmeliaS:
Thanks for your reply, very interesting.
If we do as such a thing, we would still have different significators for the questied for each of the questions. Then should we look at the relations between the different significators for the questied(/s) and the different candidates for L1?

Say: Libra ASC in a night chart, with two questions, one about career and one about a relationship.
Then we should use Mercury for the first question about career and L10. And for the second question we should use Saturn and L7.
Was this what the "mysterious author" had in mind?
{*} I'm also curious to hear if anyone remembers the source.

The method seems to come from 'The Book of Astronomy' by Guido Bonatti (p.551) translated by Benjamin N. Dykes, The Cazimi Press, 2007
Peter Burns explains the concept here...
https://westernastrology.net/horary-ans ... questions/
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As per Anoop on https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/i ... ary.57344/
"According to Vedic astrology, many astrologers are using Arudh Lagna method for multiple questions. They will ask natal to quote one number from 1-108, and then find out ascendant.
Another method is KP Method, and again number in between 1-249 is quoted by natal, and ascendant is worked out.
One more method is first question from Ascendant, second from Moon, third from Sun, fourth from Jupiter, fifth question Venus or Mercury (based on the strength of the planet - strong planet) and sixth Mercury or Venus (based on the strength of planets)."

It seems Peter Burns's method here involves multiple choices for the same question instead, not multiple, separate questions. A great read though.

Thanks Ouranos!

Dima Gur: yes, that's what I think it means.

Ouranos wrote:Here is an example of William Lilly multiple charts reading.
Article by David Plant
http://skyscript.co.uk/CA455.html

Thank you for this hint!

I just found something in Bonatti. It does not mention that method I remember, but said instead you are allowed to use the same chart for a second, different question which arises shortly after the first. Robert Hand believes that this is due to the efforts needed to erect a chart at ancient times.

P.21, 22.

Liber Astronomiae, Part 4, "On Horary", Part 1 by Guido Bonatti translated by Robert Hand, Project Hindsight.

Note that these have to be serious questions though. Bonatti even requires that these questions be pondered on at least "a day and a night" beforehand.

What I think it means, is that before you decide that the question is suitable for horary, it has already been bugging you for quite some time!

Thanks for the clarification Amelia.

As someone said 'Plug in your brain before using'.
If we take the querent as the ASC, this ASC is in relationship with all other Houses. So, if he asks a question about a relationship (7th House), he does not stop to be related to his friends (11th) or children (5th).
To me, it is legitimate for someone who is about to be engaged to ask from the initial question if his friends or children will approve of the project, like 'derived' questions from the main concern.
Or what is the financial situation of my bride to be.(8th)
It seems to relate to the astrologer's ability to read the proper house and relationships with the ASC.