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Ouranos, I definitely agree with you.

William Lilly sometimes got creative with his charts, deciphering the circumstances surrounding the querent that don't seem to have great relevance to the immediate question. Of course, we aren't all on his level in this art!

I think that is why horary should be done rarely. One horary chart can be very descriptive and revealing on its own right, and astrologers have got to respect that.

Re: Multiple topics judged from the same horary

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Dima Gur, I'll try to explain . . .
johannes susato wrote:
Dima Gur wrote: Under such a model the querent must ask about all which s/he is bothered by, or otherwise "miss the train" so to speak.
But have you ever travelled in more than one train at the same time?
Dima Gur wrote:J. Susato:
A bit tired and overworked currently, so you'll have to say it in simple words :)
About your trains metaphor, I assume you're in favor of the second model I've proposed, but correct me if I'm wrong.
I only wanted to rebut this opinion by using your symbol of the train, saying that, in the same way as you cannot travel in two trains at the same time, you cannot ask different questions at the same time, when these questions concern different topics.

The time is the same, the querent is the same, but the topics are different as the trains. And this is why it is wrong to say:
the querent must ask about all which s/he is bothered by
at the same time.

In fact, like you can not go by more trains than one at the same time, in the same way you can not ask at the same time questions concerning more than one topic.

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AmeliaS:
The Bonatti section on multiple questions is great, thanks!
I'd say he grudgingly allows it with some caveats.

Ouranos and AmeliaS:
That was my original thought, and method-2 on the two methods I referred to in the first post. That the question is a moment in time which reflects the current circumstances of the querent. Thus, it should show all major things which go on in his/her life currently. Career (10th), Love (7th), Children (5th), et cetera. If this is our work assumption, asking a question a bit later shouldn't matter as the original horary will show the entire web of interactions. Out of which we could focus on this or that chart feature, whichever we'd like.

And Ouranos, thanks for the links (Peter Burns and the Astro-weekly forum).

J.Susato:
I understand what you mean now.
Would it be fair to say that you espouse the 'only one question per horary chart' approach?
https://www.gurastro.com

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I know a professional asteologer who used the "one chart for all related questions" approach and it worked. For example if you ask about a relationship but want to also know about your partner's finances (go back and look at turned 2nd house) or their dreams (turned 11th) or what they are hiding (turned 12th).The way she read it seemed complex to me but turned out very accurate. She was against running a new chart for tangential questions related to the same topic.

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Dima Gur wrote: J.Susato:
I understand what you mean now.
Would it be fair to say that you espouse the 'only one question per horary chart' approach?
Fine, Dima Gur!

But as to the conclusion 'only one question per horary chart' I find it
necessary to differentiate.

A question, that concerns a certain topic or theme, generates the horary
chart. This chart is then answering this topic, and only this topic. More
questions about this topic, i.e. 'tangential questions related to the
same topic' (Reudi), can - or should(!) - be answered by this same chart
too.

Other questions concerning other topics necessitate other, new, charts.

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Johannes wrote
Other questions concerning other topics necessitate other, new, charts.
Agree with you Johannes.

And related or unrelated questions 'What if?' are a mouse-trap.
Because a horary chart is not equipped to handle that. It will point to one direction not multiple scenarios if the querent is unclear about his question.
Blessings!

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Let say today I was worry about my health, my child, and my current work situation, in regards if I find more creative but at lest same pay rates job.

And I was back and force, jumping of thinking about from subject to another and at the end of day decided to ask horary question about my work situation.

So, I think in that single horary would be quite productive to find out about my health and my child problems too, and checking 6th and AC, 11th, 2nd,5th and sequent houses regarding other concern.

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Reudi wrote:I know a professional asteologer who used the "one chart for all related questions" approach and it worked. For example if you ask about a relationship but want to also know about your partner's finances (go back and look at turned 2nd house) or their dreams (turned 11th) or what they are hiding (turned 12th).The way she read it seemed complex to me but turned out very accurate. She was against running a new chart for tangential questions related to the same topic.
All this conforms exactly to my own experience, after my erecting many
useless charts concerning tangential questions . . . - in vain.

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Ouranos wrote: And related or unrelated questions 'What if?' are a mouse-trap.
Because a horary chart is not equipped to handle that. It will point to one direction not multiple scenarios if the querent is unclear about his question.


But what about the questions 'Should I?'

These are answered by asking 'What if.'

For example a question about removing 'Shoud I remove to the other place
or should I stay?' would be answered by comparing the actual place with the
potential so 'What if' I remove?' and What if I stay?', generally comparing
the state of the houses 1, 7 and 4.

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Johannes,

The question to stay or move is fine and better answered with 'Should I?'
The 'what if' I mention is more like multiple concerns of the querent around different topics.
'What if I move?' and 'What if I go back to school?' and 'What if my husband does not want to move?' and 'What if my child is accepted at the school at the other place?'
In the end, I would say 'What if you had one question to start up with."
Blessings!

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Ouranos wrote:The 'what if' I mention is more like multiple concerns of the querent around different topics.
'What if I move?' and 'What if I go back to school?' and 'What if my husband does not want to move?' and 'What if my child is accepted at the school at the other place?'
In the end, I would say 'What if you had one question to start up with."
Agreed, and in my experience in most of all instances, when many questions
are asked concerning different topics at the same time, there is quite
another question, a new one, that was at first overlain by the many other
questions or supplanted by the querent, and this one is the question of the
querent's real interest, his 'true' question.