The correct symbolism of signs of the zodiac seems to be particularly important for Pluto's transit. I don't have time for a treatise on Pluto, but at this time I accept Pluto as signifying firsts and new beginnings, often preceded by upheavals. If so, and if sidereal Capricorn does stand for a global perspective and unity, then before Pluto leaves Capricorn I would expect some kind of very major traumatic event that would place the entire world on the same level--a much larger picture than Covid gave us during Saturn's transit of Capricorn.

I wish I understood more about global politics, but don't have the time or energy for that study. I'm wondering how much Uranus in Aries has to do with the apparent uptick in trauma, unrest and rebellion happening at this time. But I don't even know if what is happening now is relatively current or has been going on for a long time.

Is there a way to easily discover the years when Pluto last transited sidereal Capricorn, and then in past centuries as well? I have no idea if a planet's transit through signs is effective before its discovery.

aj

thanks for commenting on this in your own way and suggesting some of what is happening here might be explained by pluto moving into capricorn.. i like the earlier date of pluto into capricorn as it coincided with the awareness of this looming covid pandemic and all that came with it... i see uranus moved into aries using sidereal sometime in 2016.. that coincides with the trump phenom.. i really don't think it has changed any and personally, although i am not an american, i find biden just as problematic, for a whole bunch of other reasons.. i am sure the next president will be just as problematic.. it seems baked into world systems at this point.. canada and much of europe seem no different..

so many astro ideas to consider and there is no one size easy answer to explain what is happening as i see it.. i am unconvinced of the 30% wedges too ( this comment is for therese in particular).. i am uncertain that the signs are so powerful that the planets energies transition from one sign to the other so instantaneously.. it's like the planet slipped into the dressing room and changed their wardrobe into something completely different..

i like the idea of pluto 'my way or the highway' imagery..

everyone is in their own information bubble... maybe a question is how do we get out of our own info bubble and show receptivity to others as opposed to feeling threatened by others? we all come by our experiences and views on the world in our own way.. a case in point might be how different people gravitate to different zodiac systems.. i honestly believe both work, so maybe i am in some odd and small category of adherents.. i think they both work for different reasons, but the best way to sum it up is with the idea that we all live in our own information bubbles..

we each rationalize and explain our universe in our own way, whether its true a symbolic process like astrology, or thru science or myth or what have you... its a creative universe that is constantly changing and everyone who is on the cutting edge of this must see the unlimited possibilities... to continue with the astrological emphasis - those who incorporate outer planets or asteroids, verses those who don't and everything in between.. just thinking that other influences are impacting us that we can't know about fully, keeps us open to accepting our limitations, or are inability to name what exactly it is that is impacting or influencing us..

an astro friend i just recently reconnected with is using eris... maybe a lot of astrologers are using this recent discovery.. i generally haven't given it much thought in spite of the 1 degree aspect it has with my sun.. i only use this example here to suggest i don't know way more then i know in astrology.. my ignorance is great and i will be the first to admit it.

add on - uranus and eris were conjunct in 2016- 2017... not sure when eris ingress into sidereal aries began..

James wrote:

Everyone is in their own information bubble... maybe a question is how do we get out of our own info bubble and show receptivity to others as opposed to feeling threatened by others?

As astrologers we could use a big worldwide conference on this topic, couldn't we?!!

therese!

yes indeed we could! i think of astrologers as forward thinking people... all my illusions are being shattered over the course of time!! but there is still time for this to change!

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here is a good article on eris.. down towards the end of the article those interested in the usa chart and the role of eris in it, will find it interesting...

https://www.historicalastrology.com/the ... y-of-eris/

I feel astrological conferences are overrated, at the end of the day they always come out as being superficial. The issue is: How do we as humans obtain true knowledge? Is it through reading books or articles, is it by meeting each other and sharing experiences, or do we get true knowledge from the Internet?

I don't have a smartphone, and I look in amazement on the other passengers in the sub, when their attention is fixated on those small devices, which are connected to the Internet. Throughout the so-called corona pandemic I refused to participate in the hysteria, while all those smartphone slaves followed the orders coming from the government. And now I realize I was right all along.

There never was a pandemic, it was a lie, and the long term effect of the so-called vaccines are still killing people all over the world, because the vaccines were and still are toxic. Some rich people headed by Bill Gates decided to decieve the world in order to make money - and probably also to decrease the world population, because these rich and cynical people believe that overpopulation on planet Earth is a problem.

The question is: How did I know that something was wrong during the corona? Actually I didn't. But my instincts knew, and as a consequence I erected horary charts, which warned me, and then I actively searched for information on the Internet, and this information confirmed my worst suspicions.

The next question is: Why did my instincts know something was wrong? My hypothesis has got something to do with religion:

“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.??? (Matthew 7:24-27)

My purpose is not to preach religion but rather to preach common sense combined with spirituality. If you practice an ethical standard in relation to other people, and/or if you continuously search for truth in every matter of life, you are like the man, who built his house on the rock. Then, in a mysterious way, true knowledge comes to you from the spiritual sources, from which it originates.

The problem with the astrological conferences is that they are governed by herd mentality rather than a genuine search for truth. If a person is preoccupied with worldly success or being popular, that person will not find the truth. The problem with the smartphones is similarly about herd mentality, but add to this the brain washing, which people volunteerly consent to, when they follow the mainstream media, which are ruled by commercial interests rather than ethics.

My advice is: Don't accept the world's low standards, aim for something higher! Then you will see clearly through all the ideological schismas, and you will never feel lost, even when the world around you is falling apart.

james_m wrote:

"how do others define this quandary astrologically? in my limited thinking i know that the 2 planets saturn and uranus, when in hard aspect - as they were in the past few years - certainly adds to this tension and polarization, but i am seeing this on a number of other levels too, then the ones listed up above... and it seems ongoing, as opposed to being over with the saturn-uranus square now past.."

In 2020, the initial year of the so-called "corona pandemic", the square between Pluto and Eris was exact. If you go back in time, you will see that Pluto and Eris also formed a square up to the 1st world war. During the 2nd world war Pluto and Eris formed a Trine. Usually a lot of people die, whenever Eris and Pluto aspect each other. Pluto rules the 8th sign, while Eris (in my opinion) is the true ruler of Taurus, the 2nd sign. Scorpio represents death, Taurus represents "opther people's death". If you analyze the Pluto-Eris cycle in the years 3,000 BC to 2,000 AD, you will end up with the conclusion that this planetary cycle rules "the birth, rise and fall of empires". Apparently the American empire is rapidly approaching its end...

Please notice that the aspects between these 2 very slow dwarf planets echo in the years before and after their aspects culminate. It means that both Donald Trump's presidency and the war in Ukraine can be viewed as "echoes" of the Eris-Pluto square, which culminated in 2020. What is even worse is that we haven't seen the end of this universal catharsis: In the following months we can expect first a false peace agreement in Ukraine, and then the outbreak of the next world war. It's all written in the stars, and you don't have to believe me, you can simply wait and experience the events unfold in the near future. It's grimm. But maybe it is necessary? The cinema movie "The Sound of Freedom" has revealed how the USA is the world's greatest consumer of child ponography and sexual abuse of children.

Now, add to the Pluto-Eris square the fact that Pluto is making its passage from Capricorn to Aquarius in 2023-2024. Last time this passage happened, we had the American liberation war and the French revolution. And before that we had the reformation. In both cases we saw plenty of wars and bloodshed. It's all about going from an "upstairs-downstairs" world to a new world with more "freedom, equality and liberty".

PS: I do believe that Neil Oliver is spot-on, when he analyzes the present poltiical world situation on a number of areas mentioned in this thread:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwrUf0EHknc

For instance, people are in general not against e.g. homosexuals, but they object against pedophilia being included as a sexual orientation, which society should accept and respect. Because that's what e.g. WHO and also the EU are trying to legislate, ref. the below link.

https://rumble.com/v2orxq2-leaked-who-f ... tners.html

Redacted has more on the subject here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJZjLhkJ9ig

It is my opinion that when it comes to controversial topics such as "Donald Trump" or "the war in Ukraine", it is actually possible to remain neutral. Personally I don't care about Donald Trump, and with Ukraine I am for peace and against war. But when it comes to a topic such as "pedophilia", I don't think anybody can remain neutral, because this topic is about the lives and well-being of our children. Call me Don Quixote, if you want, but in this case I am ready and willing to fight windmills, if that's what it takes!

'There was never a pandemic. It was a lie.'

What a gross statement for all those who died from the virus.

Bymidten: 'There was never a pandemic. It was a lie.'

Ouranos: 'What a gross statement for all those who died from the virus."

Reply: You have to look at the international death statistics to grasp, what happened. During the so-called pandemic in 2020 there was no excess death anywhere. The excess death rates went up in every country, where the "vaccines" were implemented in 2021, when the "vaccines" were introduced. These are the facts.

Corona did not in itself kill more people than the usual seasonal flu. But many people were killed in hospitals by hospital staff with new drugs like Anthony Fauci's "Remdesivir", which kills people by destroying the kidneys and/or the liver. Anthony Fauci made money on poisening and killing people. While "Ivermectin", which always works against influenza and also proved effective against corona was prohibited.

How can I be sure that it was Remdesivir and not corona, who killed a patient? Answer: A lung disease like corona will NEVER affect the kidneys and/or the liver. If that was the case, then all medical literature would have to be rewritten. Yet plenty of corona patients have died from kidney or liver disorders. And the man, who claimed that corona can indeed kill people by affecting the kidneys and/or live was nobody else than Anthouny Fauci, who made money from selling Remdesivir! You can talk about a conflict of interest here.

You can also talke a look at the countries, which were too poor to buy the vaccines, like e.g. the state Utra Pradesh in India or states in Africa. Or countries in Eastern Europe, where vaccines were not welcome, because the local people were too skeptic. In all these places there has been no excess death whatsoever.

And the only reason why you haven't heard about these facts before now is that the mainstream media withhold the facts, because they are financed by the same oligarchs, who made a profit on the "vaccines". The only media you can trust nowadays are the independent media. Unless you actively search up information in order to find the truth, your lives will be based on lies. That's the kind of times we are living in right now.

It's much easier to bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and ignore what happens around you, than to look into matters. It's also easier to kill the messengers, who brings you bad news, instead of listening to him. But such behavious are not leading you to salvation or redemption, instead they are the path to Hell.

Corona did not in itself kill more people than the usual seasonal flu. But many people were killed in hospitals by hospital staff with new drugs

Fact: In US, there had been 8,054 vaccinated people who were hospitalized or died who had also tested positive for coronavirus—out of more than 166 million fully vaccinated Americans. That’s roughly .005 percent. Additionally, CDC director Rochelle Walensky has said that 99.5 percent of all deaths from COVID-19 are in the unvaccinated.
Fact: It is not medically possible. The vaccine does not contain the virus. In fact, more people died from misinformation.
If you find out 5 died of 10 unvaccinated people, that's 50%
If 5 died of 50 vaccinated people, that's 10%

You can also take a look at the countries, which were too poor to buy the vaccines, like e.g. the state Utra Pradesh in India or states in Africa. Or countries in Eastern Europe, where vaccines were not welcome, because the local people were too skeptic. In all these places there has been no excess death whatsoever.

Fact: Here is a list of the countries with less cases of coronavirus.
https://www.movehub.com/blog/the-countr ... ronavirus/
Contrary to your statement saying that these countries were skeptic, they took extra measures of protection.

If your references are Redacted, Rumble and Neil Oliver seasoned with some Bible quotes and astrology, your 'common sense' needs a tune-up.
Sorry moderators but these fallacies have no place in this forum.

Reply to Ouranos: It all comes down to which sources you rely on. At least we can agree upon that. Then it's up to the reader to put his or her faith in one of the resulting opinions / conclusions.

Yes, I have faith in the Bible, and I am not ashamed of that, instead I am proud of it.

Succesful astrologers like William Lilly and Evangeline Adams also put their faith in the Bible. And the Lord did not forsake them.

I only saw this thread now, as I don't normally monitor this forum. Please restrict all comments to what is astrologically relevant. We do not need any more rants about the Bible, mainstream media, vaccination, etc. Such posts will be deleted.