https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Trudeau,_Justin

justin was in the news yesterday, over the end of his marriage.. it sounds as though the public announcement was made yesterday morning, but this has been in the works for sometime and they are already living separately.. the chart below is sidereal, krisnamurti ayanamsa..



the chart is western hemisphere emphasis which puts greater importance on relationships... perhaps this can be modified thanks how the rulers of the 1st and 7th are placed.. the 7th house ruler saturn sits at the top of the chart, in square to his ascendant.. justins own parents went thru a very public separation during peirre elliot trudeas time as prime minister of canada, as memory serves, so it is interesting this parallel happening for him here... the 1st house ruler - sun, is strong by being in the 5th house... however the solar relationships are more complicated... saturn is in the suns 6th house, and the ruler of his sag sun is in the 12th solar house.. at the same time sun is at the top of a t square which brings the sun to the foreground - leadership abilities and etc. etc - but siting square to the mars-pluto opposition over his 2/8 axis.. he ran into some financial conflicts with a charity he supported and as one of the WEF youth leaders, much speculation has been who exactly he is serving - canada, or corporate interests.... well this is always the case with most politicians today...

the timing of the public release seems to make sense.. the sun transits his 12th house, while saturn continues to linger long, in the vicinity of his 7th house.. see the biwheel below with the transits for yesterday morning on the outside and his chart on the inside..



aside from the importance of the saturn transit to his 7th - a transit often associated with the break up of relationships, but also for the beginnings of important new ones, here are a few other observations.. t neptune on his mars in the 8th looks very tricky to navigate.. and this ties into the t square of the natal mars-pluto opp squared onto his sun as well... much confusion and difficulty with this mars-sun square highlighted.. trudeau has been an outspoken advocate for lgbtq and indigenous rights.. perhaps this rolls into this transit of neptune to his mars here in some way, as yet unknown..

as it turns out neptune and jupiter are also strong in the 2022 solar return in effect at present... see chart below..



jupiter rules justins 5 and 8 houses... the sun - the next planet close to an angle rules his natal 1st and the 12th of this particular chart.. there is a moon - uranus square fairly close in the solar return for 2022, which mimics his natal chart which has a close moon - uranus opposition... the impression many had of his mom - margaret) is reflected in all this.. perhaps sophie, his wife of 18 years reflects some of this emotional instability as well, but most likely he is a feature of justin which would make it challenging in a living arrangement with another person... and it would be even more complicated given the fact he is canada's prime minister..

there is probably a lot more that can be said about justin and where he presently finds himself, but as he asked in the media press release - he'd like this to be a private matter with him and his family - which i totally understand.. and yet he is canada's leader, so i thought i would share this for others interested in some of canada's political dynamics..

i see marjorie orr has a post up on justin trudeau this morning as well.. its in tropical and i haven't read it but others here might want to... she likes using the composite chart thingy, lol..

https://star4cast.com/justin-trudeau-ma ... ital-woes/

by god! our very own linchi also has a post up which i missed too... it is below and it is in sidereal..

https://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/view ... hp?t=12141

i have been thinking about trudeaus chart again yesterday..

i watched a video wherein someone had referred to trudeau as a con, or con artist.. it was interesting as i got to thinking about the important saturn-neptune opposition along the midheaven axis and how it turns out neptune is exactly square trudeaus ascendant in his natal chart.. to make matters even more challenging, at present saturn has been directly squaring onto his natal neptune and conjunct his natal 7th house cusp.. he has publicly gone thru the announcement of his marriage separation in the past month and it seems all is not well in the image that trudeau is projecting on the national stage at this point in time..

unfortunately for canucks, a similar set up astrologically is in place for the now front running candidate and representative of the progressive conservative party - pierre poilievre with a strong neptunian influence on his chart as well... the problem is we don't have an exact birth time for poilievre to be able to assess his chart more fully.. birth data for him is june 3, 1979, calgary alberta.. he is an adopted child who has done quite well for himself politically... i do wonder how much of this is based off an avoidance of actually being clear on any number of positions he might hold..

back to trudeau and the strong neptune.. it has seemed to work for him, if this is indeed what it is... he is a handsome, tall man and probably has a number of endearing traits.. he is from a well known family - his father was an extremely colourful and stong minded, independent person who many canucks liked, but not all canucks.. trudeau junior is not the same man by a long shot... he is or was a world economic forum youth leader and seems to push the agenda of the wef consciously or not.. he has also aggressively pushing the lgbtq identity via the DEI - diversity, equity and inclusion ideology.. there has been some strong kick back to all of this.... his personality has come in for a number of challenging dynamics in response to all of this...

i doubt very much the leading politician representing the other major political party - pierre poilievre will be much different.. he may hold to a different ideology, but i believe it will be just as polarizing and disappointing given the strong neptune in his chart as well... this strong emphasis on neptune in both mens charts might have something to do with the national chart for canada which has neptune rising.. i am just speculating..

i wonder how much of this lgbtq ideology is connected to the planet neptune?? perhaps this is a separate topic, but i would be curious for others feedback on all of this....

i am changing the title of this thread to include pierre poilievre... below is his natal chart set for noon, in the absence of a specific time for him.... as far as i know there is no federal election for canada coming soon, but if it were to happen now, it wouldn't be favourable for justin trudeau...



here is the chart for canada - midnight chart, july 1st, 1867 - ottawa

James-M wrote:

here is the chart for canada - midnight chart, july 1st, 1867 - ottawa

I know this is a bit off topic but do find it intriguing that we have this miasma of charts proposed for the USA but just one for Canada. I appreciate individual provinces have separate foundational times too. But is any other national chart commonly used for Canada? Its paradoxical that despite its immense size Canada seems like one of the more invisible of western countries. Here in the UK for example, we have a far stronger awareness of Australia even though about a third of all Canadians are currently of English or Scottish descent. Maybe is just the overwhelmingly presence of the USA as Canada's colossus of a southern neighbour. Hence, people often miss that many actors or musicians assumed to be American originate in Canada.

hi mark

thanks for asking! and yes - we tend to get overshadowed by the usa, but that is probably a good thing in many respects, except when we get leaders that are bootlickers to the usa - which has sort of been the trend the past 20 odd years, give or take.. mulroney was before this time, but he was very much a ''friend of the usa'' to the detriment of canada..

there was another chart for canada that rj smith was advocating for, same date - but different time as memory serves... 9:57:12 am - same location as well..
it looks like this in sidereal zodiac.... i have not worked with it, but have worked some with the midnight chart and think it has a lot of merit..



there are a few other charts that nic campion mentions in his book.. one for 1982, and another for 1999, but the one from 1867 - july 1st - is the one typically used for canada.. i have revised the original title and yet again!

relevant article on politicians generally ... the writer is based in france..
https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/too ... -not-a-lot

this is a bit tangential, but as most of you have probably heard, canada has been in the news again thanks to trudeaus speech in parliament on the return of parliament this past monday... he mentioned the concern over the possibility that india has performed a murder on canadian soil of this fellow - Hardeep Singh Nijjar.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardeep_Singh_Nijjar

now at the time of this event, i was curious about the astro... the event happened at approx 830pm on sunday june 18th in surrey b.c. canada... mr nijjar was born on October 11, 1977, Jalandhar, Punjab, India... doing a day chart for him - is shown below using sidereal zodiac.



below you will find the transits for the approx time of his death on the outside wheel to this noon chart shown above as the inside wheel..



i don't really see anything outstanding in the transits for the time of this event to the noon chart i have for him.. i do recognize the intensity of his natal chart with the sun-rahu-mercury-pluto conjunction... this would make for a strong leader who sits on a lot of secrets, which is fitting of someone who is trying to seek an independent khalistan, while living in canada..

i don't know that many know this, but as someone having lived most of my life in the vancouver area, growing up in vancouver - there is a special appeal to the vancouver and fraser valley area of b.c. to those people from punjab because there are many similarities geographically and weather wise... as it turns out, the vancouver area is home to what might be the largest sikh people outside of india! i believe teh sikhs make up about 10 % of the population of india and have always been considered the warrior class.. they are generally bigger people, perhaps because the land of punjab is agriculturally rich and of course this is where basmati rice originates.. the golden temple is where this religion is centered and many come from the punjab area of both pakistan and india and elsewhere to honour and celebrate its unique culture.. as it turns out, i visited the golden temple in 1998 while traveling to india..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikhism

what might be missing in the coverage on this in canada is how mr nijjar is designated a terrorist in india and is accused of having been involved in a number of targeted murders in india... now whether mr nijjars chart has anything to say about this - i think it might given the stellium in virgo, but of course a person can't be tried without proper process...
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 985023.ece

what i find interesting here is how the 5 eyes intelligence agencies working together - are apparently responsible for having some inside knowledge that the state of india was directly involved in this.. if i step back a bit from all this, i have seen how canada over the past few years has really ramped up its concern for foreign influence within canada politically... first with russia, and more recently with china, and now here with india.. now, maybe it is a coincidence that these 3 countries form the backbone of BRICS, the alliance of countries that have a different outlook on how to move forward in the world economically..

i still believe that trudeau is walking on very shaky ground astrologically and this is yet another manifestation of his being easily duped by our own intelligence agency - csis... whether there is anything to this - we might never know.. but trudeau has decided to push this conflictual dynamic on the people of canada and has gotten full support from all the other canadian political parties for this...

below is a noon chart for csis.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_ ... ce_Service



the nice mercury-pluto trine is befitting of an organization that is meant to sleuth information to protect canada.. it also makes sense that it is a part of the 5 eyes group.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes - my own thought is that these intel agencies have gotten way too powerful and are dictating way too much to those in power politically.. there needs to be some strong oversight on these organizations and i don't believe their is... i don't see that happening any time soon either..