jason

i'd like to say more, but i don't know what more i can say.. planets connected by the 5th harmonic suggest the planets can express a type of talent when they together in this aspect relationship... 5 is the number of fingers on our hand.. maybe it's the number of limbs on our body too, if you include the neck, lol.. we are able to do things animals can't do.. that might be this creative aspect i keep yammering on about.

john addey was an astrologer who got interested in harmonics and he focused more strongly on the 5th harmonic as i understand it.. he wrote some books on it which might interest you.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Addey_(astrologer)

david hamblin has also written a few different books on harmonics.. its an area of interest for anyone considering other non traditional aspects... what are the numbers associated with trad aspects? 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and maybe 12? the question is, what about these other numbers that have been left out? 5, 7 and etc. etc.. 5 is a good place to start if someone is interested in this sort of going outside the traditional format..

i suppose it relates to harmonic theory which is sort of like vibrational theory... instead of thinking of the opposition or square as an opposition or square, one could think of them as a 2nd or 4th harmonic where any planet resonates a particular way with another planet when connected by this harmonic.. interesting how 2, 4,8, 16, 32, 64, 128 and etc. etc. - are all basically connected being multiples of 2.. these types of ideas are incorporated in the charts and work that linchi and zacherial do on the sidereal forum... these are all considered ''hard'' aspects based off the number 2 and its extensions and said to come out on the material plane in the form of events.. the number 5 is different..

maybe these 5th harmonic aspects are like a dumb note in most peoples charts.. maybe it is evolutionary? most people are caught up on the material plane and not receptive to them.. but i wouldn't say that about everyone... i am just speculating in all of this.. if you're interested, take a closer look! i think the quintile aspect between stripes sun and moon is significant and might be very central to understanding why he was the way he was... i haven't followed rem closely - it is a generation 10 years or so down from me! i do know how huge and successful they were however.. cheers..

Thanks James, I appreciate you laying out what you could for me. I'll do some investigating.

Hi Jason,

Jason wrote: Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:42 am Hi Jane, Good to see you. I appreciate you bringing up the data that Doane generated. I'm unfamiliar with that book, but 30 years of research sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out. Mars being involved so heavily in the 25 charts is interesting. Trying to wrap my head around that, and the best I can come up with is how exhausting being a performer can be. There's certainly a bold and even 'athletic' component to funneling all of one's energy in the way singers do, especially on tour (another martial element, possibly?) Interesting too that we often think of the singer as the "leader" of the band. And also that Mars is in detriment in Taurus (the throat) - and there's a symbolism in that which also seems fitting; shows often being canceled due to throat or vocal issues, or even just general "burnout."

I think you are right in your musings on Mars; I vaguely remember reading somewhere in the Zain texts that entertainers need Mars creative energy to sustain performances; similar to athletes needing a strong Mars for energy and muscular control.

Aside from that- I'm looking forward to your study of Queen Victoria's life. I've been loving your thread over in the trad sub.

Thanks, I've started working on it but slow going at the moment; trying to figure out the best approach to the initial radix analysis.