Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 13 by Therese Hamilton Hi James, Here is the direct youtube link to Kenneth Bowser's 2024 election prediction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYv-w8Rw6Ag&t=11s I hope you are able to view Ken's webinar. I know you'll find Ken's analysis very interesting. I look forward to your comments. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Thu Jan 18, 2024 3:40 am
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 14 by james_m thanks therese! i will watch much later today and get back to you... cheers.. Quote Thu Jan 18, 2024 4:50 pm
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 15 by james_m hi again therese i thought it was an excellent presentation! i could comment much more if you'd like, but simple response - excellent video worthy of others attention.. Quote Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:14 am
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 16 by Therese Hamilton Yes, I agree that Ken did an excellent, even outstanding job on his prediction video. James, I was wondering about your reaction to his conclusions, which were pretty drastic. I also thought his analysis of solar returns was top notch. He went into much more detail than I generally do, although last year I had reached the same conclusion about Biden's solar return. I haven't looked at Trump's current charts. I kind of thought that he had so many legal problems, how could he possibly be the Republican presidential candidate? Not to mention that many think he's more or less crazy, based on his tirades and general behavior. But Ken saw rather serious health problems for both Biden and Trump. http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Fri Jan 19, 2024 6:15 am
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 17 by Gemato @Therese Hamilton: I watched Ken's presentation and was glad to see he also agrees broadly with my assessment of Biden's ill health. I don't generally use his "aspects in mundo" which are Placidian squares or modern parans when it comes to the radix. I certainly don't bother calculating the actual Placidian aspects between planets in the radix, which isn't done by any astrological program and is really not worth the effort imho. But in directions when a planet is directed to the IC, it may be interpreted as a simultaneous square to the Asc and opposition to the MC (which imo has an efficacy corresponding to the terms these two angles are being directed through at the time of the direction). But it'll be nice to return to this presentation in the future and compare our results. I am still working on the Trump post. @Wei: I am well in agreement, I think astrology always leads to a contemplation of our place in the world and where and to what boundaries are freedom and necessity in the human life. I hope everything works out well for you in China and you don't get into any trouble! Quote Fri Jan 19, 2024 4:46 pm
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 18 by james_m hi therese here are some of my thoughts on his conclusions.. he seems fairly impartial in his conclusions and very little opinion comes into it.. - some yes.. he made a few stupid passing comments that i would associate with someone who is too close to the propaganda, but overall- i felt it was an excellent presentation... a lot can go wrong in a prediction... here is a general view that have nothing to do with astrology that will invariably seep into the astrology... both of them are old... the issue of health and their state of health is something that anyone could focus on, but especially astrologers.. so it's a given that this will hang over any predictions astrologers make in this election... i do believe though that bowser backed up his views in a very solid and convincing way thru the astrology.. his reliance on the potusa chart, which i have discussed here at skyscript many years ago was very interesting! that is the chart for 1245pm new york - april 30, 1789 -washington presidency chart.. he relies on this chart heavily. i am not sure about his use of the 1/4 solar returns and pssrs and etc. etc. - i have never worked with them.. on the other hand, it was interesting to see what symbols he is using in his charts.. his inclusion of chiron, 45/135 aspects and other passing observations was interesting.. his reliance on the fagan-bradley ayanamsa is interesting.. all of this is pretty trivial i suppose.. his reliance on the 830am time for biden is questionable as i see it... offering different speculative or rectified times seems also very speculative and i am not sure i buy into any of it.. i got stung last time with the bogus times for hillary clinton - we mostly all did in fact.. so - that is a big caveat to all these predictions.. that said, he was careful not to lean too heavily on the angles of bidens chart, but made many great observations - i thought.. i think the mars- pluto opposition in the election time frame is very ominous.. he discussed this and took it a step further.. i can't discount anything he said and again feel his astrological viewpoints are pretty rock solid with regard to the topic of violence around the election.. his use of different locations - residence, as opposed to birth place - for some of the solar returns - i am not sure about this.. aj pointed this out to me as i somehow didn't pick up on that.. i wonder about that.. i have been less convinced on relocated charts/solar returns, then i used to be.. i think they have merit still, so i am on the fence about this.. as i said earlier - a lot can happen between his apparent prediction - nov 23, 2023 and the election.. however, i feel all of his astrological viewpoints have a lot of merit and relevance.. i can't rule out any of the scenarios he paints and lean towards agreeing with him on most all of it.. i think watching his video is a really worthwhile thing for other astrologers to do, regardless of the zodiac they use.. he is very pragmatic and down to earth in his astrology... and - yes, i dig the use of the mundane aspects and think they have great relevance too.. his pointing out the saturn-neptune mundane square aspect in trumps chart was quite relevant and i think accurate... thanks again for sharing his video therese!! much appreciated! Quote Fri Jan 19, 2024 5:59 pm
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 19 by Therese Hamilton Thank you, James! A well thought out response. I've also reviewed Gemato's posts, but why doesn't "Gemato" tell us who he is? Of course an accurate birth time is necessary for prediction, and here we are working with two different birth times for Biden. Anyway, all we need to do now is wait and watch events to see if astrology proves itself. The world will be watching. I have also had questions about re-locating return charts. I was never as convinced of their value as the Fagan/Bradley astrologers are. I remember one case where I compared birth and location charts for an Indian man now living in the United States. (This was an ennead 40 day chart.) He had a serious auto accident, not fatal however. The birth place chart had Mars on the (equal) 6th house cusp of accidents. The location chart where he was living had that Mars on the ascendant. But which chart showed the nature of the event? We couldn't have predicted how Mars on the ascendant would manifest in feelings or events. The Fagan/Bradley astrologers (called the Western Sidereal system) are one hundred percent rock solid sure that their ayanamsa is the only correct ayanamsa. But they have never compared it to the Krishnamurti ayanamsa. They have checked Lahiri which does not give correct results in solar ingress chart angles. But the difference between the Fagan/Bradley ayanamsa and Krishnamurti is 59 minutes, just under a degree, a day apart for solar ingress charts, so angles are generally quite close by degree. But there will be a notable difference in the Moon's position. P.S. James, thanks for the (all too appropriate) cartoon! http://www.snowcrest.net/sunrise/LostZodiac.htm Quote Sat Jan 20, 2024 12:50 am
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 20 by james_m thanks therese first off - no one on skyscript has any obligation to reveal anything about themselves!! i can think of a few folks - who practice astrology and who like to post here, who are unwilling to share their birth data too and it is an astrology site!!! so - it just goes with the terrain.. some people open up more and share something about themselves and some don't.. it is a shame but astrologers aren't really any different then your ordinary jill or joe... what is interesting to me is that the more people give away all their personal info on social media sites, and appear to not care any for privacy - (gov'ts since the patriot act have kind of enforced this group think), there are a few places where one can retain some privacy - such as ''top secret'' skyscript!! i am thinking of changing my name from james to radar, so no one will know much about me, lol, other then that i hone in on strange things!! regarding relocated charts.. i think they have merit.. i have done a personal study on this, but when it comes right down to it, i still think the natal chart is preferable.. i have lived most of my life away from the place i was born and yet, i find with regard to solar returns anyway - the birth location sends a stronger signal.. regarding the different ayanamsa's - astrologers are weird like that... some of them stick their head way far into the sand and refuse to be challenged, lol...clearly kenneth bowser sees cyril fagan in some sort of messianic light and will not be moved by other lesser gods or ayanamsas as the case may be!! Quote Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:11 pm
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 21 by Gemato My job has been made a lot easier now that Trump has all but won the Republican Primary, making him candidate and leaving out the rest of the Republican challengers. When it comes to his birthtime, I've changed it to 10:46 from the online 10:54 as I believe this agrees better with Trump's life because: It places the MC into Aries, making it the exaltation of the Sun (ruler of the Asc) and domicile of Mars, the most angular in the chart. The bound of the natal MC is now Saturn, and the last zodiacal direction prior to his election in 2016 was the Asc to the square of Saturn (the Asc was at that time in the bounds of Saturn in Libra) as well as to Spica and Arcturus It reduces Mars' horizontal distance to where it more closely conjoins the Asc, which is perfect for such a brash character. With this time, Mars directly opposes the terms of the directed MC (terms of Mars in Cancer) from Capricorn on the day of his first victory. Mars for Trump operates like Saturn for Biden, conferring honor and advancement. Now let us dive into an analysis of Trump. 1) Primary Directions The relevant directions in operation for Trump are as follows: Mars to the terms of Saturn in Libra - 2017.09.19 . MC to the terms of Venus in Cancer - 2018.08.27 . . Moon to the terms of Venus in Aquarius - 2021.05.05 Mars to his own sextile - 2022.06.19 . Ascendant to the terms of Mercury in Libra - 2023.02.27 Sun to the terms of Saturn in Leo - 2023.10.19 Moon to Fomalhaut - 2024.07.22 MC to the terms of Mercury in Cancer - 2024.11.05 (note: this perfects on the very day of the election) Nothing here stands out by itself, but let us take a look at the rest of the techniques which will give us a better idea. 2) Profections and 3) Solar Revolutions Most planets are above the horizon, and Mars rules the MC and is in its own dignity applying to a mundane parallel with Jupiter. The Lord of the Year is Saturn who is in his own sign and bound. The directed Asc is opposed by revolutionary Mars, which is powerful and non-receives it, but also the wide trine of revolutionary Saturn and the separating sextile of natal Mercury. The terms of the directed MC receive the wide sextile of revolutionary Jupiter, exalted in that sign as well as will be in the square of revolutionary Mars when the MC changes terms in November on the day of the election. Natal Jupiter parallels revolutionary Saturn and revolutionary Jupiter parallels natal Saturn which could be significant for someone of authority. Some health issues here, but the square of Mars into the terms of the directed MC, where Mars yet again non-received is notable. Let us take a look at the monthly profection for the month of the election to zero in. Moon lady of the month, has just entered her fall and is approaching Mercury, bound ruler of the directed MC and is in square to natal Mars. Jupiter, monthly lord of the MC separates from a conjunction of the natal Sun. The Sun sextiles its own directed terms from its fall. Mars squares it own directed terms from its fall. Mars conjoins natal Saturn (LoY) and Venus and is also about to enter the all important terms of the directed MC, and will do so approximately on the day of the election, where those very same terms will then change. Saturn still trines the terms of the directed Asc and the body of the Sun (Trump's hyleg) has just past it. Perhaps any health issues he has will be revealed at this time. 4) Secondary Directions Saturn is conjunct the terms of the directed MC, which is also within the MC of the secondary direction chart. The Sun is within its own directed terms. The Moon is within the terms of the directed Asc and trines its own directed terms. Both benefics conjoin the terms of directed Mars. 5) Progression DOB: 14/06/1946 at 10:46:00 am 78 years x 27.321661 days/sidereal month = 2131.089558 days = April 14th 1952 at 12:55 pm Progression Venus (exalted) and Mercury (fallen) both trine the terms of the directed MC, each ruling the one after the previous. I believe this is clearly indicative of an up followed by a poison pill. Jupiter and the Sun oppose the terms of directed Mars. Mars trines the terms of the directed Asc from its detriment. The Sun has just separated, by six days or so, the degree of the total solar eclipse. This is notable as this progression is for Trumps 78th birthday, on June 14, 1946. The distance between the two is roughly 67 days. The proportional part is roughly five days. This is weak, but nevertheless should be noted 6) Transit And the transit chart from the previous post now focused on Trump: Mars is now moving into the terms of directed MC (going from the terms of the first victory; a literal second term for a second term ). The Sun is on the terms of the directed Moon. Transit Saturn is conjunct the directed Moon (Biden it was conjunct the Asc) opposes Trump's directed Sun (whereas for Biden it was its own directed terms). This indicates that both of these older gentlemen will certainly not be doing well at this time. This is more concerning of course for Trump as the Sun is his hyleg, but without a killing direction I don't think there's any danger of death. Nevertheless, considering the indications of victory in an election, things look better for Trump as Saturn is his LoY (and the monthly ruler of the MC) and is doing better by dignity than Biden's Sun LoY. The one (Trump’s) is well dignified, the other (Biden’s) is on the terms of the directed Asc in fall. Verdict It appears that victory is probable for Trump. I will need more time to assess the actual nature of the health issues which are indicated. This is not exactly groundbreaking in terms of a prediction, and it would have been much better if the candidates differed more in age/circumstance Quote Sat Jan 20, 2024 7:50 pm
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 22 by Gemato Biden's Time of Danger: Biden experiences a troubling series of transits from roughly August 27th-August 31st these are shown below: On August 27th 2024, the monthly profected lord of the Asc is transferred to Mercury. The most remarkable thing to note is that Mercury retrogresses into the square with its natal position, then right afterwards stations and goes direct to pass the square again when it is at it's most powerful accidentally (it will be in Cancer, where it is essentially weakened by the nature of the sign). It is also notable to mention that during this very series of transits, the transiting Moon will pass from Mars to its own directed terms. I believe that this constitutes some trouble for Joe, and may be the indication of the illness I predicted. Decennials of Valens for August The chronocrator of the years is the Sun (January 20, 2017-August 26, 2027) who received it from Mercury. The chronocrator of the months is Jupiter (October 16, 2023) who received it from Saturn. The chronocrator of the weeks is Saturn (July 18th, 2024) who received it from the Moon. The chronocrator of the days is Mercury (August 23, 2024) who received it from Mars. So Mercury carries the rulership of the days from Mars, an additional consideration (Mercury in Biden's chart. Mercury, having last separated from the body of Mars in Biden's nativity, combust and making no aspect to a benefic is functionally malefic. August 27-30 is a time to watch for Quote Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:18 am
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 23 by Ouranos Thank you again for your detailed analysis of the next presidential election in U.S.A. I love your approach. If I can add a touch of the Aries Point on Election Day, Nov 5th. AR (Aries Point) World event = PO (Poseidon) = ME/ZE (Zeus) To create new ideas in a commanding manner. = PO (Poseidon) = UR/VU (Vulcanus) To arrive at clear results. Mighty tension. To be connected with violent acts in public. = ZE (Zeus)/AD (Admetos) = All beginning is difficult. Struggling activity. To demonstrate ones abilities and development. Blessings! Quote Wed Jan 24, 2024 5:32 pm
Re: USA 2024 Election Prediction (Sidereal/Traditional) 24 by Jason Gemato wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:18 am Biden's Time of Danger: Biden experiences a troubling series of transits from roughly August 27th-August 31st these are shown below: Hi Gemato, Thanks for sharing all of your work on this topic with us. Thought it might be worthwhile to add some additional testimony to what you've shared here regarding August. The full moon (27° Aquarius) on August 19th activates the MC/IC axis and Mars in the 2024 Aries Ingress chart (set for Washington, D.C.). This Full Moon perfects on the same day that the DNC begins its presidential nominating convention in Chicago (additionally - it lands near Trump's ASC/DESC)—just some food for thought. Ingress DC.png Viewed 2766 times 117.88 KiB DNC 2024.png Viewed 2766 times 118.01 KiB thoughts are just thoughts Quote Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:36 am