obviously the world is on edge given the latest developments in the middle east - israel-palestine specifically... and the un has been unable to find a resolution to stop the madness either.. usa vetos it... 2 so far - russian and brazilian resolutions both vetoed...

i think many astrologers believe in the importance of eclipses.. just how they get factored into what is happening in the middle east today is the complication.. the solar eclipse for oct 14th was part of saros series 134... apparently the root chart for the series is important according to bernadette brady in a paper aj shared with me the past week - which i am sharing here..

http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/SarosCycles.pdf

with this in mind i looked into the root chart for saros series 134... bear in mind i am looking at this in sidereal, krisnamurti ayanamsa.. the chart is shown below, set to greenwich.. one needs to ignore the angles and instead concentrate on the sign the solar eclipse and degree the solar eclipse is placed in, and any significant astro signatures that jump out... the data is june 22nd, 20hours 12 minutes, 20 seconds julian calendar and using dst... since i am using morinus software, you might have to fiddle to get a similar chart on other astro software programs...



some of the distinguishing features are - sun/moon at 24 gemini 46, in a conjunction with neptune at 20 gemini 07.. mars-pluto square at 25 cancer and 24 libra.. saturn is also directly involved by being in conjunction to pluto from 21 libra. there may be some other features that others would like to make note of..

the solar eclipse for oct 14th, 2023 set to tel aviv, looks like the chart below.. this is a part of saros series 134 which is why we have considered the root chart shown above.. my data via morinus is oct 14th 2023, dst 20 hr, 54m55 seconds...



the outstanding features to this chart are sun/moon at 27 virgo 02 in a conjunction with mercury at 23 virgo 05, mars/pluto square in direct contact with the nodal axis, and perhaps the venus-saturn opposition...

what the 2 charts share is a mars-pluto square which as i have mentioned many times at sksycript, connect to violence.. so, aside from the close aspect of these 2 planets in square close to the oct 7th time of the hamas attack on the supernova rave festival, they also appear in both the root chart for saros series 134, and in the oct 14th se just passed..

i plan on addressing the topic of the various charts - 3 charts to choose from - in my next post, but i will say that i think it is possible that more then 1 chart can have merit and it isn't necessary to lean heavily on only one chart for a country.. i will add that i believe the coincidence of the transit nodal axis on the 4pm chart, fairly exact and coinciding with the sun in the 4pm chart at 0 taurus being in a 30/150 aspect to this same transiting nodal axis gives merit to the 4pm chart, but i am bias and have come to conclude that the transiting nodal axis is a lot more relevant then astrologers generally give it credit for.. and - i am using the true not the mean nodes.. cheers james

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thanks for asking.. no i don't think it is a better idea to put it in the sidereal forum... i got harassed by mark over this and changed the title to ''transzodiac'' for the simple reason i am receptive to both approaches - tropical or sidereal.... i might be in a small minority, but regardless - all these ways of putting things in boxes drives me a bit batty... so saying it is sidereal means others who want to input on the topic in tropical are discouraged from doing so.. i am not down with that.. thanks and cheers james

Thats a total travesty of the truth James. I never harassed you personally at all. I simply carried out my moderator role in an attempt for us to adopt a consistent nomenclature for threads involving charts from tropical and sidereal zodiacs. I have always been very supportive of astrologers who want to post sidereal analysis on this forum. However, I dont think I am unique in finding threads shifting between zodiacs rather muddled in focus. Its true I questioned your use of the term ''trans-zodiac'' for the reasons I previously gave and suggested ''mixed zodiacs '' instead. Nevertheless, just how you have reached the conclusion I previously ''harassed'' you leaves me utterly dumbfounded. I know you like to shift between zodiacs yourself. However, you dont have a personal monopoly on how this forum is conducted.

it seems to me the savagery of israels response to the hamas attack of oct 7th is not going to dissipate any time soon...

it doesn't matter which chart you use for israel, as the key feature of the sun-mars square in israels chart is being highlighted with the transit of uranus into this square aspect found in all the charts we are using for israel... perhaps one of the charts might explain it a bit better, but regardless, the brutality here is ''off the charts''.. i suspect this will go on for a good length of time until uranus completely unsettles the way the world has come to view this issue of israel-palestine.. if you think of the sun in israels chart as being in the 8th house, it is definitely a complete break down and transformation of all that it sees itself as..

for the 4pm sidereal chart, ascendant at 0 libra and sun at 0 taurus is a 1-8 sign relationship exact 150... the true nodal axis had been sitting at 0 aries/libra for some time, but appears to have moved into pisces/virgo... perhaps the timing of this coincided with the temporary ceasefire.. i haven't looked closely at this but it would be worth exploring.. one might have fantasized about a letting up in the hostility with saturn moving away from the opposition to the natal mars position, but it appears not to be..

this article from the financial times seems to support a continuation of this madness for some time.. i can't see how it works out for israel in the long run or the palestinians in the short or long run here..
https://archive.is/QDvVQ

i just read a post by marjorie orr on israel and i have to agree with her and some of the posters responding to her.. this topic is not going away and it is fairly central to a lot of what is happening on the planet as i see it.. the way i see it, this issue is going to continue to dominate the world.. israel is going to go thru some major changes too that appear quite destabilizing.. transit uranus to sun in the 8th sign from 2 of the 3 charts being used makes it inevitable... then there is transit pluto which moves into tropical aquarius in opposition to - first the moon and then the other leo planets in israels chart all suggest major changes ahead..

here is marjories post from today some might enjoy reading..

https://star4cast.com/israel-2024-the-w ... ty-of-woe/

this conflict drags on with no sign it is going to end, anytime soon.. i don't think it matters which chart one uses, but i like working with the 4pm chart.. using a sidereal chart - no matter which if the 3 charts - all 3 have libra rising and have aries on the 2024 solar return ascendant.. below is the 2024 solar return chart off the 4pm chart..



aries rising and the ruler of the ascendant mars, in the 12th house/sign.. the mercury-pluto square is close to the ascendant, with pluto sitting up in the 10th house area.. it reminds me of netanyahu who has held onto power, in spite of his criminal actions.. it is almost like he is prolonging his position of leader of israel to avoid been held responsible for his illegal activities.. well, the image of a corrupt leader certainly works here with pluto elevated and squaring onto the ascendant from the 10th.. venus is in poor shape celestially and happens to rule the 7th and 2nd houses.. i suspect aside from the challenging dynamics with its relationships with others, their financial situation is taking a hit.. technically jupiter and uranus are under the beams of the sun, so any benefic influence from jupiter would appear to be ruled out here.. but i think the kicker is the position of the sun which upon closer examination is square the midpoint of saturn - pluto..

now saturn-pluto hard aspects are supposed to be associated with war or the hardship associated with war.. essentially war and strife are emphasized with these planets get together in a hard aspect.. the fact that the midpoint is about 1 degree aquarius, squaring onto the sun is not helpful... that in combination with the unsettling vibe of uranus transiting the sun implies changes in the country and leader - no matter how one slices the astro...well - that is how i see it and some of it might be gotten without the aid of the astrology too...

now, this saturn-pluto midpoint continues to move forward and will be in opposition to mars natal position at about 5 leo 15 into the summer of 2024... the fact is, the position of the sun in israels chart, being square mars, adds to the challenge of the slow transit of uranus on this square in the natal chart - sun-mars... i imagine every time mars goes thru early fixed, it heightens the angst and turmoil, given the set up here.. i haven't looked at the dates for this year.. the idea of saturn-pluto in combo with mars being associated with the concept of genocide makes me think any judgment that comes down from the ICJ is not going to be favourable to israel.. israel was very supportive of south africas apartheid regime, but since mandelas leadership changed the course of south african history, things appear very differently here.. it would be interesting to look at a mundane chart for south africa... regardless - the idea of saturn-pluto, in combination with mars does make me think of genocide - not a happy conversation, i will admit, but one that some people and countries are demanding happens as they feel that is what is going on here with the deaths of too many women and children who have been forced to leave, or move to where??

2024 profection is aquarius, with saturn as ruler.. saturn is strong by sign and position in the solar return,but the malefic of the opposite sect - perhaps reflecting the international friends it has, that continue to go to bat for it - usa, in particular, but it is not all roses by any means.... however saturn in the natal chart of israel is much more problematic by sign and position, in a conjunction to pluto and squaring onto the nodal axis... just how one weaves the profection lord saturn in the sr 2024 chart, with its placement in the natal chart is open to speculation.. below is a biwheel with the 4pm chart on the inside and the solar return for 2024 - happens may 15th - on the outside..



the 2024 solar return moon is back in the sign cancer which on the surface would seem favourable, but it is in a square to uranus, and a 150 to saturn, so while it looks like the general public might get a break and have some of their needs met, it is not supported by the bigger picture from my own point of view.. it is the sole astro body in the western hemisphere of the chart, and at the mercy of the eastern hemisphere emphasis, which is a lot more driven to accomplish its goals and aims, with the moon being dragged along, regardless.. obviously i am offering a gloomy prognosis here... perhaps someone else can shed a more positive light on it all.. i can't see it myself.. i haven't looked at the solar arc directions, but perhaps i will for another post... i will be away for 2 1/2 weeks very soon, so will be absent from skyscript for the most part - during this time beginning this week..

relevant reading material.
https://theintercept.com/2024/03/05/isr ... -us-cable/

this is a follow up with a chart for south africa - sidereal - which i have gotten out of nic campions book of world horoscopes... it is essentially the time that nelson mandela was inaugurated in pretoria, south africa on may 10th, 1994, 10;19:59 gmt..



what is interesting is that the date south africa made the complaint to the ICJ is very close to transit of uranus to south africa's sun position - dec 29th 2023.. if you think of the idea of humanitarian concerns and concerns for the welfare of all people, the idea of uranus being a planet associated with these ambitions is relevant here.. south africa and israel sun are in an out of sign conjunction... israel is due for the transit of uranus very soon as well.. i suppose this can play out differently, depending on the set up in the natal chart.. also today, south africa has asked the ICJ to issue additional emergency measures against israel..

https://www.reuters.com/world/south-afr ... 024-03-06/

if one accepts this as a relevant chart for south africa - i don't know, as i haven't spent much time with it) - then the cross aspects between this chart and the charts we have for israel do reveal some challenging dynamics... south africa has north node at 0 scorpio, close to pluto at 3 scorpio.. both are opposite israels sun at 0 taurus.. south africa has mercury at 7 taurus, so there is a mercury-pluto opposition in south africas chart as well. the nodal axis on israels sun seems to me the most outstanding cross aspect involving the 2 charts.. the other very obvious cross aspect is south africas ascendant at 16 cancer is very close to the triple conjunction of moon-pluto - saturn in israels chart, highlighting this part of israels chart..

maybe there are some other dynamics astrologically that others can pick up on.. i believe this chart is the most recent and perhaps the most relevant chart for south africa, but perhaps others would like to consider the other ones in nic campions book as having some merit as well..

james_m wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 12:49 am this is a follow up with a chart for south africa - sidereal - which i have gotten out of nic campions book of world horoscopes... it is essentially the time that nelson mandela was inaugurated in pretoria, south africa on may 10th, 1994, 10;19:59 gmt..
hers would like to consider the

Interesting. Why would anyone elect the day of an annular solar eclipse (hmmm..royals, popes and world leaders), whose path of darkness crosses the USA, as the day of Nelson Mandela's Inauguration, and does it have anything to do with the Mandela effect (Eclipses being gateways in space time)? And what happens now, 30 years later, as transit Uranus (soon to get a square aspect from transit Mars) reactivates it (at least tropically) just before another solar Eclipse (third one since 2017) that will be crossing the same area?

Why does it remind me of the Obama's dystopian Netflix film "Leave the World behind"?

aquastellea

your post and observations are interesting too.. yes - the mars-uranus square happens close to the degree of the sun in this inauguration chart for mandela which is considered a relevant national chart for south africa off this event... yes - a new moon on the nodal axis is indeed an eclipse.. i like what you articulated about this having some association with kings, queens, world leaders and etc.. i was thinking how sun in aries here is a reflection of mandela, especially in the conjunction to south node.. mandela sacrificed his life for a necessary change in what he viewed as a corrupt and unequal system of things during his life as a south african.. although he spent much time in jail for the courage of his convictions ( not only does this remind me of assange, but also the freedom fighters of palestine locked up, and more) he was able to surmount the obstacles to making these changes into a reality in south africa.. i do think sun in aries high up in the chart, and coinciding with this solar eclipse most telling!

taking the location of the mars- uranus transit to this chart, mars is in the 7th house of this south africa chart - indicating powerful enemies at present - israel? but squaring onto a determined sun in aries in the 10th which has uranus transit to it - making a focus on the inhumanity south africa perceives israels actions here on the world stage.. and they are not alone in viewing it as such either, so it will be interesting to see how this source of tension works itself out.. also interesting is the ruler of sun/moon and 10th house is mars in pisces in the 9th.. the idea of having a strong inclination for social justice seems to be reflected in this position and in the position of saturn in aquarius in the 8th... it is also interesting that south africa is coming up to a saturn return in this same window of time... a reminder of the old wounds from the past and how to process them seems to be captured in south africas attempt to address what they believe to be similar dynamics in the present day actions of israel here..

as for fionna broomes mandela effect, i am more interested in the maharishi effect, lol... this lady sounds like a loon from what i am getting off the internet about her..

back to the charts - i do believe this transit of uranus to both the sun in south africa and israels chart can be interpreted very differently here.. it is a much more destabilizing transit for the israel sun which happens to also be in a square to mars... of course the difference between sidereal aries and taurus could be considered as well.. sun in taurus doesn't respond to change in the same way that a sun in aries does..

AquaStelLea wrote: Thu Mar 07, 2024 6:43 am Interesting. Why would anyone elect the day of an annular solar eclipse (hmmm..royals, popes and world leaders), whose path of darkness crosses the USA, as the day of Nelson Mandela's Inauguration,

AquaStelLea: Your point is well taken. This clearly indicates that the inauguration was not astrologically chosen. Overall, it was a coincidence rather than a deliberate choice. Some might contend that there are no coincidences and that it was fated. (I'm going to avoid that slippery slope.) East or west, solar eclipses are inauspicious and wouldn't be any astrologer's choice for an election.

Just for interest, if you accept Brady's theory that the seed or root eclipse of any saros cycle determines the underlying symbolism of all subsequent eclipses in that particular cycle. The eclipse of May 10th, 1994, Brady assigns in her alternative numbering system* as 14-South. The 14-South eclipse in her book, The Eagle and the Lark, p. 188, is delineated by her as: "This eclipse family will tend to bring success. There may have been long periods of hard work from which the success has grown. ...this eclipse can bring the long awaited breakthrough."

This rings very well with the inauguration of the first black president of a white-apartheid state, the efforts at reconciliation, and the establishment of a more inclusive and democratic nation.

and does it have anything to do with the Mandela effect (Eclipses being gateways in space time)?

The Mandela Effect, no matter how unsettling, is just a reminder of how our minds work.

*This system first proposed by Robert Carl Jansky in “Interpreting the Eclipses,” published by Astro Computing Services in 1979, and extended by Bernadette Brady in “The Eagle and the Lark,” published by Samuel Weiser Inc. in 1992.