hi wei

thanks for the link to kenneth bowsers 1996 article on aspects in mundo... he also did a video more recently which i shared here at skyscript a few months ago that you or others might enjoy watching..here it is again - https://www.westernsiderealastrology.co ... ndoaspects

in kenneth bowsers usa election prediction he makes mention of trumps mundane saturn-neptune square which can't be seen just looking at the zodiac aspects.. it has bearing on matters of finances, as in most house systems trumps neptune is in the 2nd house.... also something i just notices is a mundane square involving his sun and mars - again, an aspect one can't see just using zodiac aspects... this is sun rising with mars directly on the ic...

you can get the rising, setting, culminating and opposite culminating data off morinus free software.. sometimes the data is a wee bit different then solar fire - but it seems to work for the most part..

Wei wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 12:37 pm Paran and aspects in mundo are somewhat similar, with the difference being that paran belongs to the ecliptic coordinate system, while aspects in mundo belong to the equatorial coordinate system.

Aspects in mundo: (https://www.westernsiderealastrology.co ... s-in-mundo)

I am still figuring out how to calculate and view Aspects in mundo using Astro Gold. Previously, I sent an email to the designer of Astro Gold for clarification, but I haven't fully understood his explanation yet. (I have grasped a little; it seems he wants me to directly use the Astro Maps to view the rising, setting, midheaven, and nadir of a particular planet).

James,

you can get the rising, setting, culminating and opposite culminating data off morinus free software.. sometimes the data is a wee bit different then solar fire - but it seems to work for the most part..

You might want to check the option 'Rapt Parallel' in Morinus and explained by Martin Gansten in his book on Primary Directions
"A rapt parallel is the aspect between two points – both rapt by the motion of the Primum Mobile, when they have the same distance from the meridian, which is proportional to their semi-arcs. "
But Martin is better than me at explaining this concept.

Ouranos

ouranos!

thanks... i know about that in so far as it is one of the options for primary directions.. it might be arrived at differently and doesn't include this mundane squares that most interest me... you see, i am approaching it off the natal chart and some personality traits that might be understood better via in mundo aspects, as opposed to the zodiac aspects we are all so familiar with... so, i am not focused on these for primary directions so much as for what it might say on the personality...

Ouranos wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2023 11:49 am

Very interesting post Wei. Thank you for sharing.
If I may add the Primary Directions of Donald Trump in the recipe here.

His PD AS is entering Scorpio in the sign and term of Mars. And natally, Mars is Out of Sect at the AS. And PD Uranus has reached his natal Mars (over impulsive, sudden action) and Angular (natal and direction) - Out in the open.
A first analysis is to say that he is more prone to accidents while travelling (natal Sun/Uranus in Gemini)
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Next is the PD Moon conjunct PD SN has just entered his 7th House and transited by Saturn shows the trial from a former mistress, out of the closet. Time to face reality.
Fortuna in the 7th House. Anita Burns says that you need to connect at a deep level with others otherwise you can feel lonely even when you are with someone.
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Profected Year = Capricorn ruled by Saturn and natally Saturn (Detriment) is conjunct Venus spelling illegitimate relationships that can come and haunt him.

Ouranos, I appreciate this thorough analysis of the matter. As I read through it, all the details connected seamlessly. The events happening in reality have intertwined with the astrological analysis.

Trump's SU/VU/N.N(North Node)=MO/S.N(South Node) is incredibly powerful, just like Marilyn Monroe's SU/VU=MC/KR(22.5 dial) and Hitler's ZE/VU=NE/N.N(22.5 dial), all of which possess a strong Vulcanus (charm/attraction/influence).

james_m wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:28 pm in kenneth bowsers usa election prediction he makes mention of trumps mundane saturn-neptune square which can't be seen just looking at the zodiac aspects.. it has bearing on matters of finances, as in most house systems trumps neptune is in the 2nd house.... also something i just notices is a mundane square involving his sun and mars - again, an aspect one can't see just using zodiac aspects... this is sun rising with mars directly on the ic...

James, the Sun is the ruler of the 12th house, which represents imprisonment. A mundane square involving his Sun and Mars reflects his situation of being imprisoned. However, after Trump's indictment, his campaign donations have actually increased rather than decreased.

I think most people hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see. Even I am the same. I also want to thank Trump for providing an opportunity for me to understand the judicial process in the United States.

Trump's SU/VU/N.N(North Node)=MO/S.N(South Node) is incredibly powerful, just like Marilyn Monroe's SU/VU=MC/KR(22.5 dial) and Hitler's ZE/VU=NE/N.N(22.5 dial), all of which possess a strong Vulcanus (charm/attraction/influence).

Thanks for pointing out Vulcanus in Monroe and Hitler charts.
Here is what Anna Sanchez says of Vulcanus
"The essence of Vulcanus is power... Vulcanus is the well from which we bath, drink and spread power and influence in our lives, loves and the world at large.... Vulcanus is where we all lack control. This TNP will wear and weigh on every individual as the point of control. Where we have it and where spend our energy reaching for the handle of the door that opens us to our own predominance in the world. This is where we find part of our most passionately held beliefs, hopes and dreams."
Vulcanus by Anna Sanchez
https://uranianastrologyschool.com
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Trump has Sun= Venus/Kronos - the picture for raising funds and seduce others
You can review a study I did on the last 4 US Presidents.
https://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?p=124911

Best to you,
Ouranos

hi wei

in both tropical and sidereal, trump has leo ascendant, so sun rules the first, although i have heard of some astrologers playing with the idea of sun and moon ruling both leo and cancer.. trump does have mars rising which already indicates a certain type of pugnacious personality and one that he might not be that conscious of, or if he is - he comes by it naturally! the idea of it being square the sun via an in mundo aspect is more of a potentially hidden aspect to this chart, although perhaps some would just explain his challenging personality as the mars rising, or perhaps some other unsavory aspects to his chart... i was thinking of just how polarizing trump is and how the mundane square of mars and sun in this chart might connect to how many people really resist him or openly fight him on some basic level..

mars rising might explain a lot of this, but the kick back he gets from many people is very pronounced.... sure, he is guilty of all the crimes, but he is not alone in this regard and i am sure biden is just as guilty of any number of crimes too, but it has to do with those in positions of power where trump seems to really get their goat... so is this - his mars rising - squaring onto the sun via the in mundo aspect - with the sun representing those in positions of authority here?

as i see it using the judicial process to take down a political opponent isn't all that savory either, but that is indeed what is happening.. i can't see it working out myself.. this witch hunt on trump could be applied just as easily to any number of other politicians including biden - but it hasn't and why is that?? what is it in trumps character that motivates others to take out all the stops to take him down? i was thinking it might have to do with the mars-sun in mundo square aspect, but maybe i am fishing in the wrong fishing hole...

either way, i don't see this particular judicial witch hunt working out as intended... sure trump is a sleaze ball of the first order, but then so is biden and he is not being brought up on the carpet the same way... i think a lot of people in the usa are not going to go along with this process and will be asking more questions about who exactly is controlling the levers of power in the usa.. using the judicial system to take out an opponent is what this looks like to me..

wei, i also share your view, summarized in the last paragraph i have also quoted below... thanks for your commentary here at skyscript..

Wei wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:51 am
James, the Sun is the ruler of the 12th house, which represents imprisonment. A mundane square involving his Sun and Mars reflects his situation of being imprisoned. However, after Trump's indictment, his campaign donations have actually increased rather than decreased.

I think most people hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see. Even I am the same. I also want to thank Trump for providing an opportunity for me to understand the judicial process in the United States.

james_m wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 1:31 am which monastery are you retiring to and when do the vultures come by??

You don't like Samuel Beckett?
I am not suprised.

Jakob wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:10 am

james_m wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 1:31 am which monastery are you retiring to and when do the vultures come by??

You don't like Samuel Beckett?
I am not suprised.

The Beckett thing was a well-known IQ test, James, my deleted post was a careless oversight on my part. Sorry.

AquaStelLea wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 2:31 pm

Greg Young wrote: Mon Jun 03, 2024 1:04 pm The chart I have for the Guilty verdict has Vulcanos right on the MC. Vulcanos = 'Power of the State' apparently.

Actually Vulcanus at 2:55 Leo is exactly square the ascendant of the verdict chart, with 2+ degrees Scorpio rising also square Pluto.

Check out the Full Moon chart from the 23rd of May 2024 (A week before the verdict) set for Manhattan, NY. It has Mars exactly on the MC (and Trump's natal Jupiter exactly on the IC), Pluto on the Descendant and Vulcanus rising ("Others are superior, Changes through the violent interference of others. To experience quick change through the influence of others"). Pluto and Vulcanus are trine/sextile the Full Moon. Mars on MC is sesquiquadrate Moon.

The transit Hades/Kronos (Great baseness and meanness, corrupt government, Poor government, Plain clothes police, The basic formula for a criminal on a big scale) midpoint is on the Sun in the US Sibly chart ("Days of ill fortune, A run of bad luck, The man who is subjected to great baseness, who has to defend himself against a vile action, The government does not keep its promise to him, Much ill fate or death by grave events") .

That reminds me, Trump has Hades/Kronus on his Asc in his 2024-5 Solar Return chart...like I say that chart is pretty well awful (unless your vedic).

Jakob wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:30 am
The Beckett thing was a well-known IQ test, James, my deleted post was a careless oversight on my part. Sorry.

jakob - thanks... it would be more productive to talk astrology...

The diurnal of Trump for Sep 18th is very much MA and MC.
He is Scorpio rising with natal MA right on the diurnal MC squaring his natal MC in the midpoint SA/VU which reads in the Rulebook.
MA=SA/VU To be under guard. To be compelled to work as a prisoner.
Transiting Mars also conjunct his natal Mercury sits semi-square in between his natal and diurnal MC