thanks wei

i see you as much the same.. i won't go into the challenges facing the world today... there has to be a give and take in all relationships and without that, nothing will work! relationships are an important spiritual path one can take, although they are generally not thought of in this way.. marriage is one example of this... geo political dynamics would be another example... maybe we get what we put into them? it is something to consider! here is a link from today that might interest both you and jakob, from someone inside germany but with a wide world view.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/06/z ... l#comments

jakob

here is vaclav havels birthchart.. i have put it in sidereal which highlights how many of the planets are in their own domain here.. - mercury, venus and saturn with moon exalted in taurus... this chart has a rounded off time of 3pm... i am not sure if 0 degrees aquarius rising in the tropical chart is all that accurate..



here it is in tropical.. maybe you or others would like to comment on either chart..



i don't know that much about the man, but i think i knew the positive role he played at the time...

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as for what is happening in germany at present - i appreciate your birds eye view on this... i made some posts on germany about 1 year ago in the mundane forum, and on its leader olaf scholz.... i had a few things to say at the time, which was before you came to skyscript.. you might want to revisit those threads, or not... whenever there is a chance for greater awareness, there is also a chance that people will fall back asleep! 2 steps forward and 1 step back?? i don't know...

James, thank you.

Most of our worries stem from "relationships," various kinds of relationships.

Your discussion has been very helpful to me. Through our exchange, I have gained clarity on what I want to say.

For example, I do not intend to differentiate between East and West. Jakob's observations are accurate; I am simply comparing unfamiliar environments with those I am familiar with.

This is the video I watched last night. What are your thoughts on it?

Principles for Dealing with the Changing World Order by Ray Dalio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xguam0TKMw8

I find myself leaning towards Thermoeconomics/Entropy Economics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoeconomics

From the smallest economic cycle, we—humans—need to eat every day to replenish energy from external sources. The human body cannot generate energy on its own. Recently, I saw a research report stating that aging is actually a disease. I am interested in this topic, but I haven't explored or researched it further yet.

I only know the situation in my country Germany first-hand, I don't know what it's like in Taiwan, the USA or Canada, etc.
Next week I meet a friend who is born in East Germany GDR. He says that now his old fears come up again when he was a child and the communist lady in the kindergarden checked every morning if he watched west german TV (what was forbidden).
In Germany, similar to what Vaclav Havel described for the Eastern Bloc before 1989, an ideologization of terms has taken place.
The term democracy is used as a battle cry of the government against the opposition, 75% of the possible spectrum of opinion is kept out of the public debate. This has come to a head since 2021, when Saturn and Uranus were square.
This is the horoscope for the Uranus Saturn square for Berlin. Uranus Saturn is the incompatibility.

hi wei

i watched the video and think it is a fairly accurate summary of where we are now on the planet with regard to the 'changing world order'.. it focuses on money and economics.. this is important.. i think what is missing in a focus on economics is a focus on other issues that are equally important to people that tend to get pushed aside and ignored... beauty and art are quite important too, but they are often over looked, especially when money is the sole focus.. but this is not a criticism of the video itself, but an observation on where i think we are collectively with this ongoing obsession with money, no matter which culture... it is maybe not possible for people to create the beauty and majesty of nature, but it would be nice if we didn't spend so much time chasing after money and being willing to destroy this nature at the same time... it seems like we have put this huge emphasis on economics at a great cost to the environment..

hi jakob

thanks for sharing the story of your friend and how his experience is like a recreation of a totalitarian reality that he thought he had escaped from... my impression of today is much the same.. the idea of freedom and democracy has been turned on it's head.. these terms are now used by those who have no interest in them, but want to use them to censor and oppress anyone with an alternative viewpoint.. the experience of how our gov'ts handled covid was a perfect example of this type of double talk in action.. enjoy your visit with your friend!

Wei wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 10:02 am Recently, I saw a research report stating that aging is actually a disease. I am interested in this topic, but I haven't explored or researched it further yet.

Aging is a disease sounds like a pharmaceutical company's lobbying schtick.

😂 Geez. C'mon.

It's like saying erosion and deposition are abnormal and unnatural geological processes

There really is no end to man's capacity for hubris, huh?!

Why didn't China historically have classifications of natural sciences like the West?" (exasperated query)

Then, I discussed with GPT:

In Chinese history, there were actually many areas of knowledge and research similar to modern natural sciences, but their development and forms were different from those in the West. These areas of knowledge and research mainly existed in several aspects:

1. **Astronomy and Calendar Systems**

Ancient China placed significant emphasis on the study of astronomy and calendar systems, primarily conducted by astronomers to guide agricultural production and political activities.

- **Astronomical Observations**: Ancient China had numerous observatories, such as the Beijing Observatory, used to observe celestial movements.
- **Calendar Formulation**: Chinese calendar systems like the "Tai Chu Li" and "Shou Shi Li" were based on astronomical observations and underwent multiple revisions throughout history.

2. **Geography**

Ancient Chinese geography was mainly reflected in map-making and geographical texts, crucial for understanding China's geographical environment and administrative divisions.

- **Map-making**: For example, the Ming Dynasty's "Da Ming Yi Tong Zhi" and the Qing Dynasty's "Huang Yu Quan Lan Tu".
- **Geographical Texts**: Such as "Shan Hai Jing", "Shui Jing Zhu", and "Xu Xiake's Travel Notes".

3. **Medicine**

Ancient Chinese medicine developed a comprehensive theoretical and practical system, primarily including traditional Chinese medicine theory, acupuncture, and herbal medicine.

- **Traditional Chinese Medicine Theory**: Such as the "Huang Di Nei Jing" and "Ben Cao Gang Mu".
- **Acupuncture**: A method of treating diseases using needle insertion and moxibustion.
- **Herbal Medicine**: Records the properties and usage of numerous plants, animals, and minerals.

4. **Engineering Technology**

Ancient China achieved significant accomplishments in engineering technology, reflected in architecture, water conservancy, metallurgy, and more.

- **Architecture**: Such as the Great Wall and the Forbidden City.
- **Water Conservancy Projects**: Such as the Dujiangyan Irrigation System and the Grand Canal.
- **Metallurgical Technology**: Such as the production techniques for bronze and iron objects.

5. **Agricultural Studies**

Ancient China attached great importance to the study and technological development of agriculture, with this knowledge primarily recorded in agricultural texts.

- **Agricultural Texts**: Such as the "Qi Min Yao Shu" and "Nong Zheng Quan Shu".

Why were the forms of these disciplines different in Chinese history compared to modern times?

1. **Differences in Knowledge Classification and Systematization**:
- In ancient China, the classification and systematization of knowledge differed from the disciplinary divisions seen in modern Western contexts. Ancient China accumulated practical and comprehensive knowledge, primarily recorded and transmitted through classical texts rather than modern disciplinary divisions.

2. **Education and Bureaucratic Systems**:
- Ancient China's education and bureaucratic systems emphasized classical literature and Confucian education. The imperial examinations focused on Confucian classics, with less emphasis on the study and education of natural sciences.

3. **Transmission of Techniques and Craftsman Culture**:
- Many techniques and knowledge were passed down through generations of craftsmen without forming systematic theoretical frameworks. These techniques existed more in practice rather than theoretical research.

4. **Cultural and Philosophical Concepts**:
- Ancient Chinese culture and philosophy emphasized the unity of nature and humanity and practicality, differing somewhat from the Western emphasis on rationality and analytical scientific methods.

HI, really big topic and I have problems following where it starts, so will just follow other members and comment on specific part of it.

Wei wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2024 10:02 am From the smallest economic cycle, we—humans—need to eat every day to replenish energy from external sources. The human body cannot generate energy on its own. Recently, I saw a research report stating that aging is actually a disease. I am interested in this topic, but I haven't explored or researched it further yet.

I'm not sure we do, though... We know plants can get their energy from the Sun. And the theory that no human can do photosynthesis, because if they could we would know by now, doesn't hold up very well, if we, at the same time, ignore the massive amount of people(in India, but also in other places) that do say they do it every day.. So if one is actually willing to spend some time and effort to research it in unbiased way, that theory becomes a lot more questionable then in looks,in my humble view.

Been researching people that doesn't eat... There are large amount of groups doing(and few teaching) that all over the world. While some of them may be controversial, others seem very honorable bunch. In my country there was some interest to that(people living on light etc.) while I'm not saying everyone can do it, I do believe there are large amount of people that does it everyday and have done it for a very long time now. And while it does seem to revert back, in some periods, for some, for others it seem to stay as an option most of their life.
Its not just from books and internet sources, though, my father had interacted with people that insisted they were doing it for a long time and I do believe them. Although that isn't for here, now.

At the end of the day, in my humble view, humanity(as a whole) doesn't understand what diseases are. There are some groups(some parts of homeopathy for example) that understand it very, very well, as they are gaining more popularity with time, maybe their understanding will be accepted, and things will change. But until then, I wouldn't worry about something being classified as "diseases" as lack of good definition of "disease" makes the whole idea not very useful.
Yet if we add the notation that something is not how the natural process was suppose to be, for that we need to have very good idea how the process was suppose to be. As animals do get "old"... But what does that "getting old" means becomes the vital part of it all. We know the body regenerates vast amounts of its cells in different cycles every few years or even less, so doesn't seem to be lacking the ability to reverse something. Then why choose to "keep" it becomes the key to it all.

Entropy... I think that was physics way to deal with trains and stuff, at least in the way its used today... Our trains are different now, time to let this go. If we swim against the current, we may believe there is mean entropy that is slowing us down, making each step taking colossal amount of effort to do. If we do swim with the current, we may believe entropy is only for the people that doesn't know where and how to align with the existing movements... I would choose to be in the second group, when I can. And there entropy is not a useful definition, alignment becomes the only useful factor there is.