It is often used to represent the 'end of the matter' and Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson considers the turned 4th from any house to show the conclusion of the business attributed to it (ie. the 3rd house shows the resolution of 12th house matters).

Georgius wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 7:30 pm Even I am not the great expert I dare to tell my opinion:

No, I would not say generally that the 4th house is the end of the matter. There are cases where it is, for instance in questions about trials the 4th signifies the sentence. In questions about death it can point to the grave. But you know it also can be the father or parents in general, it may be home or real estate, it may signify the child of a friend or the job of my spouse and so on. Fortunately the question reduces this mass of meanings.

janegca wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:14 pm Hi Starz4U,

Here's a quote about the 4th House, given under In Horary Astrology from Deb's The Houses: Temples of the Sky that may help:

It is often used to represent the 'end of the matter' and Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson considers the turned 4th from any house to show the conclusion of the business attributed to it (ie. the 3rd house shows the resolution of 12th house matters).

So it can indicate the end of matters in Horary.

Ouranos wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 1:36 pm Ivy Goldstein-Jacobson mentions that 'any lunar aspect to the 4th cusp or its ruler will have a bearing on the way the question will turn out'.
Understanding that it can be the 4th House radix or turned.
Any questions related to the beginning or ending of something highlights the 4th House.

Tanit3333 wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 3:44 am I don't know for sure Lilly's source but Lilly tends to be credited as stating the 4th is the end of things in horary, which is mentioned in a table in Deb's book on houses. It can be described as the beginning and end of things in charts in general though, if you look at some of the fundamental meanings of the house.

However, I don't typically look here for an answer to a horary, personally. Knowing the end of a long story doesn't necessarily tell you about the specifics within the story itself and it might not even answer your specific question. For example, someone might ask, "will my boyfriend marry me?" Perhaps the answer is yes, but the end of the matter suggests a painful divorce way down the road. Knowing there might be a divorce is helpful but it doesn't answer the initial question, which is yes.

It's another part of the chart as a whole that may be descriptive. Does it answer the initial question? I don't find it to be reliable in doing so, unless it is a significator of something within the question. As already mentioned, something like a missing person is relevant because you wonder if it will describe death and a location of a body,
etc .

Tanit3333 wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 3:44 am I don't know for sure Lilly's source but Lilly tends to be credited as stating the 4th is the end of things in horary, which is mentioned in a table in Deb's book on houses. It can be described as the beginning and end of things in charts in general though, if you look at some of the fundamental meanings of the house.

However, I don't typically look here for an answer to a horary, personally. Knowing the end of a long story doesn't necessarily tell you about the specifics within the story itself and it might not even answer your specific question. For example, someone might ask, "will my boyfriend marry me?" Perhaps the answer is yes, but the end of the matter suggests a painful divorce way down the road. Knowing there might be a divorce is helpful but it doesn't answer the initial question, which is yes.

It's another part of the chart as a whole that may be descriptive. Does it answer the initial question? I don't find it to be reliable in doing so, unless it is a significator of something within the question. As already mentioned, something like a missing person is relevant because you wonder if it will describe death and a location of a body,
etc .

Saturnello wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:48 pm Hi Starz4U,

regarding this meaning of the 4th house J.Frawley in the first edition of his book says " This can usually be ignored except in questions about trials, where it shows the verdict, and illnesses, where it shows the prognosis."
In the second edition it goes even further saying that it should be always ignored except when it has a specific role in the question, i.e. trials.
Frawley's opinion his that some astrologers use this meaning of the 4th house as a plan "B" to save the querent from a totally negative answer like " in this chart everything says no but if we look at the 4th house..."
But It is not for the opinion of Frawley that I use it rarely, the fact is that judging an horary chart requires a lot of efforts by the astrologer, many different points must be considered, hundreds of rules often conflicting, and some time it takes hours to unravel a particulary complicated chart, so why all the master astrologer of the past did not just say "to judge a chart dont waste your time just look at the 4th house".
Personally I do not believe in this kind of shortcuts, too good to be true... and I have tried in the past to compare the results of charts judged in a "normal" way
with the results obtained by using the 4th house and found that the 4th house doesn't give enough reliable results, very often it give conflicting answers (like Tanit has already explained) that have no use.
I use the 4th house only as last opportunity when everything else has failed to give a clear answer.