thanks therese

i can't help but notice how that favourable jupiter-uranus in the 10th has kamala harris natal neptune at it's midpoint.. is the illusion too good to be true? it appears so... i continue to contemplate the idea of her not getting the nomination, in spite of the coronation that has already happened in the media, prior to the democrat convention.. we'll see how it unfolds soon enough....maybe it's the liberal dictatorship at work, lol...

James wrote:

i can't help but notice how that favourable jupiter-uranus in the 10th has kamala harris natal neptune at it's midpoint.. is the illusion too good to be true? it appears so... i continue to contemplate the idea of her not getting the nomination, in spite of the coronation that has already happened in the media, prior to the democrat convention.. we'll see how it unfolds soon enough....

James, thanking you and others who point out midpoint planets. I don't use them myself for no special reason except that I've concentrated more on India's astrology. In Kamala Harris' chart Neptune happens to be co-ruler of her 10th sign of Pisces (zenith sign in sidereal, MC in tropical). So I see Neptune as a question mark as to how it might operate in her chart. Bit still....Neptune is still Neptune!

Today's News, Friday, 2 August 2024:

Kamala Harris officially secures the Democratic nomination for president

Vice President Kamala Harris had secured enough votes from Democratic delegates to become the party's nominee for president, Democratic National Committee Chair Jaime Harrison said Friday.

Here is an example that explains why some of us have changed from the tropical to sidereal zodiac: TIMING Timing tells the story. Timing drastically alters solar returns and any other cyclic chart that uses transits related to a specific point in time.

Time: 11:36 AM, Washington, DC: (random chosen hour)

Sidereal
9 Aqu 09 Kamala Harris' Natal MC:
9 Leo 43 Mercury transit today on IC (orb 34 minutes)

Tropical
2 Pisces 25 Kamala Harris M.C.
3 Virgo 50 Mercury transit today on IC (orb 1 deg 25 min, past exact)

THE ENNEAD (NINTH HARMONIC) CHART

James wrote:

Good to hear from you! what do the enneads say for kamala harris and donald trump going into the november election date, or the inauguration dates?

I don’t know if any tropical astrologers read my posts which discuss the fancy sounding “ennead” charts. But these charts are simply ninth harmonic charts based on the natal position of the Sun. I think probably any software these days has the option to calculate harmonic charts. Although these can be seen as nine divisions of the solar return, actually it’s possible to enter any date between birth and death in software and get the current ennead/ninth harmonic chart which lasts for a period of 40 days.

I have just completed work on the inaugural enneads for Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, and it seems crystal clear to me who is going to be inaugurated. (I haven’t yet studied the election period charts as confusion and chaos may exist around the election date and may not reflect who will be inaugurated.) What I’ve done with these charts is place them in bi-wheels with the candidate inauguration birth place ennead in one wheel and the inauguration time of 20 January 2025 at noon in Washington D.C. in the other wheel. I’ve looked at these charts both ways, switching the cusps of the inaugural and ennead charts for the angles.

It's also possible to re-locate candidate enneads to Washington. This changes the angles in the Harris chart quite a bit as she was born in Oakland, across the Bay from San Francisco on the west coast. I have found birth place enneads more helpful, but sidereal astrologers of the Fagan/Bradley school would adamantly disagree.

The question of precession correction for solar returns is always present for anyone who uses the tropical zodiac. Robert Hand is one well known astrologer who precession corrects his tropical charts, and Marc Penfield has written an entire book on precession corrected solar returns. (Solar Returns In Your Face, American Federation of Astrologers, 1996.)

I’m not going to at this time post my prediction on how I am reading the inaugural period charts, but am putting this technique out there so anyone can calculate these charts for personal study: the sidereal or precession corrected tropical chart placed in a bi-wheel with the 2025 inaugural chart. Look at these charts both ways, switching the angles between the charts. Especially note the angles and planets aspecting those angles.

I’ll post my prediction after the Democratic convention when Kamala Harris has chosen her running mate. (I always use the Indian equal house system with cusps at the centers of houses, but Marc Penfield uses his favorite quadrant system, Porphyry. I don’t know what house system Robert Hand uses, but he wrote a a book on Whole Sign Houses.)

In the last election I hadn’t discovered this technique and didn’t predict a winner as I found Uranus troublesome in the matter of prediction. This year I didn’t find the solar returns especially helpful, at least not so far with a quick glance. So we’ll see this year if the ennead (40 day char) for candidates is actually helpful for prediction or if I’m too quickly jumping to conclusions!

hi therese

thanks... good work and of course i am interested in what you are seeing! i think you are forcing me to take a closer look!!

a few things... i have struggled with the issue of birth location verses relocation.. i spent a lot of time being more focused on relocated charts, partly because i have spent most of my life thousands of miles from my place of birth... i know this is going to sound like a cop out to some here, but i think they both work, although if i had to choose one, i would go with the birth location chart.. this is based on my own observations.. i think the relo charts work, but the birth chart location works the best... charak appears to see it the same way..

regarding robert hands use of a house system, it sounds like from the interview that deb shared - i can dig it up for you if you didn't see it - hand is using whole house system, but he also incorporates a system off the midheaven axis in a similar manner - there might be a name for it, but he discusses this in the 3 hour long exchange with deb that deb shared here at skyscript in the past 2 months...

thanks..

Today's News, 6 August 2024:

Harris selects Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz as running mate

Vice President Kamala Harris will introduce her new running mate at a Tuesday evening rally in Philadelphia.

From an Internet search:
Gov. Tim Walz is 60 years old, born April 6, 1964. He was born in West Point, Nebraska and grew up in Valentine, Nebraska. He joined the National Guard at 17 and served for 24 years.

Hi James,

At the moment I don't have time for a fair reply to your post, but no, I didn't know about the Deb/Hand exchange. But with defective hearing from Covid, I couldn't listen to a three hour exchange.

I think you are correct that both natal and relocated returns "work," but they work in different ways it seems to me. Re: houses, they are always correct in the birth place chart. In re-location charts often the relevant planets are brought to the angles. But I wouldn't use houses in re-location charts. The western sidereal Fagan school astrologers always emphasize planets near angles. That's why re-location charts work for them.

hi therese

no problem! here is a link for the 3 hour discussion.. even if you have hearing problems, you can get the video with subtitles to ''read'' the discussion... also, i speed up the speed of the video to 1.5, or 1.75 to get thru it much quicker... it would be nice if there was a transcript of it, but this is as close as you can get to it..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDGHFWeJCkc

it came from this link -
viewtopic.php?t=12582

i agree about the emphasis on planets in angles, and it is interesting what you say regarding the fagan bradley school... is james eshelman from this same school?? in his book on solar returns he also emphasizes this same point you make and considers it as most important too.. i think most astrologers do agree on the importance of planets ''in angles'' although their may be some debate on describing when a planet is ''in an angle''..

Hi James,

Thanks for the link, but no way do I have time or energy to get through a three hour discussion. My audio limit is about 20 minutes. Even with TV I mostly use captions with the sound turned off. Sound seems to bother my brain, and my main hearing loss is understanding spoken words.

Jim Eshelman and Kenneth Bowser are the two main spokespeople for the Fagan school of astrology. But their approaches are different from each other, and there is no real communication between them. They each have their own website of course. Ken has kept up more on resent research and translations.. Jim Eshelman is caught beck in Fagan days in the mid 20th century. He still teaches that the origin of astrology was in Egypt as Fagan believed. I think the only ancient texts he knows about are Manilius and Ptolemy.

Basically Cyril Fagan is God for Jim and his disciples. Ken Bowser and Jim Eshelman agree on one thing, however. The SVP zodiac (synetic vernal point) is the only true zodiac, often referred to as the Babylonian zodiac: Fagan/Bradley zodiac, Aldebaran and Antares at 15 degrees of Taurus/Scorpio. This zodiac gives planetary positions 53 minutes less than Krishnamurti. So solar returns occur a day earlier.

There's been a strange euphoria around Harris since she became the nominee, money pouring into Dem coffers. Thinking it has something to do with the Neptune's contrantiscion in the distribution and directed Neptune in a mitigated semi-sextile with the Sun; it moves out of range around Aug 20, so it will be interesting to see if the euphoria falls off after the convention, which starts on August 19th.

Also somewhat concerned about the directions happening around the same time; noticed them awhile back and have been debating whether or not to post them, for obvious reasons.

OA Directions

Directed Saturn (9 CP) square the directed nodal axis (9 AR/LI)
Directed Mars is conjunct the radix Asc
Directed Sun is conjunct the IC
Death changing degrees (28->27 VI) to form mit. inconjunct Moon
Violence (27 GE) trine radix Sun

Profection
Saturn conjunct MC
Mars conjunct IC
Sun conjunct Mercury (radix Asc ruler)

Maiora Esse
MC square radix Sun/Moon opposition
Mars conjunct Pluto and Venus (L12, L5, disposits Sun)

Minora Esse
Sun opposition Moon (critical 0 VI / 0 PI 3rd/9th axis)
Mars conjunct radix Asc, directed Mars
Asc conjunct radix Moon

Transits Aug 19
Transit Moon conj radix Saturn opposition transit Sun/Mercury conjunction
the Sun/Moon opposition is at 27° of LE/AQ; natal opposition, 27° AR/LI

This does not look good, malefics and both lights active along with the Asc ruler.

As well, Dorotheus considered the 1st triplicity ruler of the 4th to be the anareta. For Harris, that is the Moon and in the upcoming SR she is ruling the 8th and in the 7th dispositing Mars and Fortune. For the current SR she's in the 4th, ruling the 11th.

Jane, if I read you right, you are seeing some difficulty or danger for Kamala Harris from August 20 to....?? Also you wrote:

Maiora Esse
MC square radix Sun/Moon opposition
Mars conjunct Pluto and Venus (L12, L5, disposits Sun)

Minora Esse
Sun opposition Moon (critical 0 VI / 0 PI 3rd/9th axis)
Mars conjunct radix Asc, directed Mars
Asc conjunct radix Moon

I couldn't find the origin or meaning of Maiora Esse or Minora Esse. Could you please explain?
Thank you!

Hi Therese, yes, I think there may be some problems and possibly real danger to her around the convention period.

The terms mairoa and minora esse were used by Rob Hand in his translation of Omar of Tiberius: Three Books on Nativities. They mean greater and lesser being and refer to two methods of direction related to the annual profection chart.

The maiora esse directs the profected Ascendant at the rate of 30° for one year or 365.25 / 30° = 12.175 days per degree.
The minora esse directs the profected Ascendant at the rate of 365.25 / 360° = 1.01458 days per degree (although I just use 1° per day)

I've found them to be useful, especially when planets, house cusps, and lots change signs or form exact aspects to radix and directed positions that are already highlighted in the distribution and by OA [a form of modified primary I've been using] directions.