Everybody has been talking about JU approaching Donald Trump's natal Sun
His natal Sun is at 22 Gem 55
Jupiter will station at 21 Gem 20 on Oct 8th, not quite reaching his Sun, turn retrograde and go back direct early Feb 2025.
This transit is accompanied by a semi-square to Vulcanus and a sesqui-quadrate to Apollon.

Furthemore, by looking at the midpoints, transiting JU will be in the midpoint SA/NE of sickness.
Gemini = lungs
Natally his AS is in the midpoint SA/NE
Ebertin says disease of the lungs or the liver
Rulebook says disease of the lungs.
Here are the potential body parts affected as per Ebertin's "360 degrees Anatomy".
Gemini20 Third Rib
Gemini21 Arm Muscle
Gemini22 Upper Arm Appendicitis, Insanity
Gemini23 Spine = natal SUN and natal AS=SA/NE in Leo= Back
Gemini24 Olecranon bursitis

So, it looks more like a 'missed opportunity' with the benefic Jupiter amplifying the disease.
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A closer look at the 45 Graphic Ephemeris hits from Sept 2024 to Jan 2025, we find hits on this picture
Sept - SU, ME and VE
Oct - ME, SU and VE
They are all single transits
In Nov, around the election day, things are starting to pile up
Early Nov,
ME starts a retrograde cycle, extending at the end of Nov and clearing up at the end of Dec.
MA R accompanies ME which culminates at the end of Nov and extends in Dec.
With this trio ME/MA/SA, it suggests a cold, harsh and vindicative period which should be a peak in this SA/NE cycle of sickness.

So, the Jupiter transit to Trump's natal Sun under the auspices of SA/NE may not deliver what would otherwise be a nice transit.
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JU/VU semi-square and JU/AP sesqui-quadrate are also indicative of the sustaining financial and economic cycle we are witnessing in the first JU/SA square cycle.
The focus with the stock market should be on navigating with stop-loss or stop-limit orders which requires a lot of knowledge. A thin line where you constantly stop (Saturn) and go (Jupiter).
Nerve-wracking for the investors.

i think it is a valid concern with regard to trumps health... my friend aj was discussing this months ago and into the same time frame you've outlined here... i am not sure what aj was using to come to this conclusion by the saturn/neptune axis is quite relevant to the topic of health.. thanks..

Hi Ouranos,

Thanks for this, I hadn't considered health problems for Trump (too focused on his lawsuits and the election). I'm wondering if you've looked at Vance's chart; I've spent the last week or two puzzling over Harris, Trump, and Vance's charts but haven't posted anything as I feel as if I've read to many John le Carré and Robert Ludlum novels

It still looks to me that Trump will win out over Harris but it also seems he won't serve and that possibly Vance will (and I really hope not as I think he has the makings of a true despot!), a scenario which could easily occur if your take on Trump getting ill is correct; he certainly would not pull himself out the race, makes me wonder if all his talk about a Democrat 'coup' is him voicing a fear he might be side-lined by a Republican 'coup'.

Jane,

Every time I try to look at the charts of the belligerents, I feel that I am following a soap like 'Wait there is another chapter tomorrow' with so many rebounds that it would be better to quiet down and wait for the hurricane to pass.
It has all the ingredients: comedy, tragedy, farce, melodrama, and musical drama when they invite the swifties in the dance.

I am following the dance and decided to post under the lens as I do not understand the big picture. It's beyond my limited brain right now.
Maybe I should jump into Ludlum and LeCarré like you do and live a parallel life.

Ouranos wrote: Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:54 pm Every time I try to look at the charts of the belligerents, I feel that I am following a soap like 'Wait there is another chapter tomorrow' with so many rebounds that it would be better to quiet down and wait for the hurricane to pass.

lol...that is most likely the rational approach to all the nonsense.

I am following the dance and decided to post under the lens as I do not understand the big picture. It's beyond my limited brain right now.
Maybe I should jump into Ludlum and LeCarré like you do and live a parallel life.

Not unless you enjoy the Twilight Zone...lol