This is a horary chart, and I am the querent.

After practicing and validating my techniques for a while, I have revised my astrological logic.

I assigned Harris to the 7th house, representing others. The Moon is applying a square to Jupiter, and Jupiter sextiles the cusp of the 4th house (her 10th house - representing the position she desires). The Moon is occulting Saturn (her 7th house ruler - her opponent), so I feel she has a chance to get the position she wants.

The Moon is square with Jupiter, which is her 9th house ruler. However, Jupiter is in her 12th house and in its detriment, indicating she might face some legal controversies to secure the Democratic nomination. Fortunately, the Moon is in Pisces, a sign ruled by Jupiter, hence Jupiter receives the Moon.

But, since the Ascendant is at 0°07' Capricorn, it suggests that things might still change. Although this chart asks whether she can win the presidential position, the 10th house could also represent her getting the Democratic presidential nomination, as Mars also rules the 11th house (organizations).

Therefore, I remain reserved in my judgment. I will ask again once she officially receives the Democratic nomination.

Hi Wei,

The very early degree on the ascendant of the horary chart might suggest there will be some unexpected events and circumstances that will render this question "irrelevant". The Democratic National Convention will take place on August the 19th 2024 in Chicago on the day of a very explosive Full Moon exactly square Uranus, that will align almost perfectly with a lunar return of the US Sibly chart. The Full Moon (and lunar return) has two tight t-squares. One of them is Sun-Uranus-Moon at 27 degrees of fixed signs (involving Mercury at 26 degrees Leo, as well), and the other of Jupiter-Saturn-Venus at 17 degrees of mutable signs (involving Mars at 20 degrees Gemini, too, one degree away from USA's natal Mars). The Full Moon will be conjunct Kamala Harris' natal Saturn rx.
She will also have a Venus return the same day, and her Venus is also part of the mutable T-square.

The solar arc directions to her chart, that day, don't look very encouraging, to say the least. Except for the many indications of violence and possible physical harm, there is also a natal Neptune/Vulcanus combination that is directed exactly to her natal MC, if her provided time of birth is exact.
Mc = Neptune/Vulcanus "To resign, without might, strength or influence, an extraordinary deception or disappointment. to experience great disappointment, to have a mighty disappointment".
At the same time, her solar arc Mercury is also right on her natal Neptune/Vulcanus combination.
Mercury = Neptune/Vulcanus "Remarkably intuitive thinking or greatly mistaken in one's opinion"

As already mentioned, there are also quite a few indications of possible physical harm (and even worse), as a result of violence.
She was born on a full Moon at 27 degrees Aries sesquisquadrate Uranus, so her chart strongly resonates with Full Moons that have a hard aspect with Uranus. The angles of the DNC full Moon chart set for Washington make very tight hard aspects with her MC and Venus.
Except for that, her natal ascendant and North Node are on fixed star Al Hecka (The tip of the bull's horn) which is of the nature of Mars and "gives violence, male violence and danger of accidents". Transit Mars will cross her ascendant the week after the DNC.

Hi AquaStelLea,

Thank you very much for your response. I’ve also looked at a few other charts regarding the question, “Will Kamala Harris win the 2024 Presidential Election?” (posed by different querents).

Let's set the horary charts aside for now. Could you help me look at these comparison charts?

They are the comparison charts for Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Tim Walz, Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, and the Libra ingress chart of 2024.

I think the indications in the Libra ingress chart are related to the presidential election happening in November.

It seems that the comparison charts for Biden, Harris, and Walz are much more positive than those for Trump and Vance. Wouldn’t you agree?

I placed the Libra ingress chart on the inner wheel and the candidates’ natal charts on the outer wheel.

The reason for this is that I consider the Libra ingress chart as representing the overall mood of the United States. This mood influences the emotions of the voters, and the candidate who resonates best with these emotions is more likely to win the election.

Biden: His Jupiter conjuncts the Midheaven of the Libra Ingress (hereafter referred to as Ingress). The antiscia of Biden’s Saturn also conjuncts the Ingress Midheaven, which might suggest his withdrawal from the race. Biden’s Jupiter is very prominent—it’s retrograde (indicating it’s very bright) and exalted in Cancer, opposing Pluto in the Libra Ingress chart. This symbolizes a transformative change that could bring hope to others. Perhaps this indicates that after Biden’s withdrawal, there is a surge in support for the Democratic Party.

Harris: Her Ascendant and North Node conjunct the Ingress Jupiter. Interestingly, Trump’s and Vance’s North Nodes are also in Gemini. Her Jupiter conjuncts the Ingress Uranus, representing unexpected good fortune. Although her Venus is in her fall , it conjuncts the Ingress Mercury. The Ingress Mercury is the strongest planet by essential dignity in the chart (due to calculation complexities, I didn’t consider accidental dignity), and it is the compensates for her debilitated Venus. Her Sun is also debilitated (in his fall) but conjuncts the Ingress Venus, which is dignified. Additionally, the Ingress Mercury is the ruler of the 10th house (which signifies the current and future presidency) and the 1st house (representing the overall state of the country), which is also the dispositor of the Moon (the voters). From these planetary aspects, I feel Harris has a strong chance of winning the presidency. Of course, there are some challenges as well, such as her Moon squaring the Ingress Midheaven and her Mars squaring the Ingress Uranus.

Next is Walz: His exact birth time is unknown (according to Astrodatabank). His Venus conjuncts the Ingress Moon, indicating that voters like him. His dignified Mars conjuncts the Ingress North Node, which is favorable for his campaign. However, there are also some unfavorable factors, such as his Moon possibly conjuncting the Ingress Pluto, and his Jupiter opposing the Ingress Venus (which could suggest some unstable or exaggerated emotions, turning into something comical? But since Venus and Jupiter are both benefic planets, their opposition shouldn’t cause too much harm).

Trump: His debilitated Saturn conjuncts the Ingress Midheaven, which is the most unfavorable sign, as Saturn represents endings. Additionally, his Saturn opposes the Ingress Pluto, indicating some kind of unpleasant change. His Ascendant and Mars square the Ingress Uranus, also signifying some unexpected upheaval and disruption (Uranus could represent sudden leaks, failures, or reversals).

Vance: His chart is similar to Trump’s. His Venus, conjunct his Ascendant, also squares the Ingress Uranus. His Pluto conjuncts the Ingress Venus. While Pluto conjunct Venus usually symbolizes a love tragedy, in this context, Venus doesn’t represent love but rather the overall state of the country. I feel that Vance’s presence might indicate that the U.S. is entering some kind of extreme phase (Pluto represents extremes and transformations).

Does my analysis make sense? I hope others can provide more feedback. Thank you all in advance.

Since there are many charts, I will refrain from sharing the images for now to avoid cluttering the discussion.

Libra Ingress - 90 Dial


AR POINT
AR/SUN
SUN
MO/PL

A big focus on Trump (Sun) and his relationship with Women (issues?).
+ ZE = To enter new service. Something new. New obligations. Increased interest?.
MA/JU = (Activist/Radical - GY) Joy of work. Fortunate acts or accomplishments. Lucky Deed. Joyous happenings. Betrothal. Fortunate deed. Creating something. Production. Procreation. Pregnancy. Generation. Children.

UR/VU = UR/VU
Explosions. Electricity (IT/Cyber attacks? -Greg) Lightning. Thunderbolts. Fires. Sudden appearance of forces. Mighty tension.
+AR/NE = AR/NE
04 SU = Sensitivity of the body. Damage to the body through general illusions or poisoning.
SU/NE = SU/NE
Physical relaxation. Impressionable. Sensitivity. Delicate body. Infirmity. Lack of energy. Feebleness or sickness. Debility. Decay.
MC/AD = MC/AD
One's firmness, perseverance and steadfastness. To be insensible, apathetic and hard hearted.
NO/ME = Association of thought. Connections of thoughts. Correspondence. Making a new connection. Intellectual or communications ties. (X/Twitter-Constant chatter/gossip-GY).


MERIDIAN

ME/UR
ASC/VENUS
+02 MC = To be happy and glad about the treatment we receive from others. Love's influence upon the mind.(Female - GY).

SA/AD
Focal Point

In a tight spot, compelled to wait. Overcoming a tight spot. Having patience. Forbearance. Trial of patience. Patience. Duration. Long time. Valley. Bottlenecks. Stoppage. Standstill. Coldness. Stiffness. Dryness. Ligature. Depression. The demarcation point. Dividing line. (Delays; Slow- GY).


Well it'll be interesting to see how that lot works out but to the point it simply reiterates all the other charts by showing a clear female influence on the important points such as the MC and here at the Aries Point and more especially the Meridian (MC) point. Moon-Pluto shows how intensely emotional it's about to become. I suspect the fact that Uranus (Activist/Rights) is now retrograde may work in Trumps favour and that this may account for what is likely a very tight and disputed race to the Presidency.

Moon/Pluto - The relentless desire to break out of old, limiting and restricting emotional patterns

Does that suggest Trump or Harris?

Hello Greg,

Check the January 20, 2025 Presidential Inauguration at 12pm in Washington.
MO/JU and ME/JU at the Aries Point
Happy hours, fortunate changes in general, happy and contented nation. Happiness for female persons. Contended woman or nation.
Lively conversation. Happy news for the world public. Cheerful mood.

It doesn't say who wins but we have the beginning of a solution.
Next step would be to
1) compare the transit of the day with the natal and Solar Arc of Trump and Harris
2) See if Trump or Harris has an activation of SU/KR and MO/KR which I am currently investigating
Harris has tMO/KR = natal MC and Solar Arc SU/KR and Solar Arc ME which translates as Chief.
And natally, she has SU/MC and MO/MC at the Aries Point. Not bad, not bad!

Not a final stance, just a preliminary analysis.
So far, every time I look at their charts, I see Oh! this looks great but there is always a downer in the picture.
Should I change my glasses?

Yes I'll check the Inauguration, O...thanks for that.

Again anything involving the Moon is almost always in KH's favour. In the Ingress chart Prog Moon closes in on the MC grouping by trine from Gemini but the Black Lilith is worrying and its trine Moon on Inauguration day so that is a dangerous sign amidst the apparent merriment of the occasion. A threat of some sort?

This posts is a summary of what I believe Trump and Harris' charts are showing for the election; Trump's is a bit longer as I include a look at the 2016 and 2020 elections; bottom line, it still looks, to me, that Trump will win over Harris.

Trump
Distribution
The distribution periods covering 2016 to 2024. All chart references are for the Tropical Zodiac, Placidus Houses. The distribution for the 2016 election period was in Libra in the term of Venus sharing by sextile with Mars.

• Venus at 25 CA rules the 10th at 24 TA and is sextile the MC
• Mars at 25 LE is square the MC
• following Al Qabisi, Venus and Mars, in partile semi-sextile, can be considered in a mitigated (by 'like-engirding') conjunction
• both planets are strongly determined to honours and a rise in life
• Venus term, being in Libra, is strong; Mars sextile falls in a place of his detriment but he is disposited by the Sun, in the 10th so the detriment is likely indicating the honours will cause him difficulty or not be quite what he thought they'd be
• Venus and Mars proved effective and he gained the promised honours, becoming President of the USA

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The distribution for the 2020 election period was still in Libra but now the Asc is in Mars terms and he is still sharing by sextile with himself; however, he no longer has the support of Venus in her own sign and term, so Mars detriment in Libra is more in play, reducing his effectiveness. Even though he is President, he is not as strong as when he took office.
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The distribution for the 2024 election is in the Mars term of Scorpio and he is still sharing by sextile with himself; Trump's position is stronger than it was in 2020 and holds out the possibility that he could gain more status.
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Directions and Profections

A look at the directions involving the distributors during the election periods.

In 2016 directed Venus (divisor) at 5 TA was trine the directed lot of Honours at 5 VI and Mars (partner) at 27 GE was sextile directed Pluto at 27 TA. The radix lot of Honours is at 1 SC, ruled by Mars. So both the planets managing the period were actively involved in favourable aspects. Venus radix position and her being in her own triplicity point to support from friends allies.

Trump was 70 in 2016, putting the profection in the 11th house, Gemini on the cusp, ruled by Mercury, Lord of the Year, in the profected 1st. The 11th reinforces Venus indications of support from allies and friends. Mercury is strongly placed in the profection but is not involved in any directions. Venus (divisor) was strongly placed in the profected 1st; Mars, sharing, was in the 2nd (supportive).
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In 2020 directed Mars was not involved in any directions and his directed Asc was critical at 29 GE conjunct the radix 11th; he did not get the support he'd received during the 2016 election.

Trump was 74 in 2020, putting the profection in the 3rd house, Libra on the cusp, ruled by Venus at 25 CA in the profected 9th; the emphasis on cadent houses here is an indication of weakness in the year, which is also shown by Venus ruling the profected 8th. She is conjunct Saturn, in his detriment at 23 CA; the pair are natural enemies. By direction, Venus is critical at 0 TA while Saturn is critical at 29 AR (his Fall) and trine the radix Asc. Saturn rules the profected 4th and 5th and indicates personal harm (Venus LoY and Asc) and the possibility of a lost election (5th) in connection with the legal issues (9th). He continued to battle the legality of the election long after it was over. Mars (divisor) was strongly placed in the profected 10th, conjunct the 11th but P11 was empty and L11, the Sun, was in P8, the idle place, another indication he'd lost support.
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In 2024 directed Mars at 20 GE is conjunct the radix North Node in the 10th and his directed lot of Honours is at 29 LE conjunct his radix Asc and Regulus. The manager of the times is strong and active.

Trump will be 78 years old in 2024 putting the profection in the 7th, Aquarius on the cusp, with Saturn as Lord of the Year in the 5th so he is strongly focused on the election. All elements in the chart are opposite their radix positions which indicates his world is not operating as it normally does for him. Saturn is not involved in any directions. Mars (divisor) is in P6 conjunct P7, indicating a reliance on employees; his support also looks weakened with Jupiter ruling P11 again in the P8, the idle place. So the indications are contrary to those shown by the distribution.

Solar Returns

A look at the Solar Returns for the period (calculated using the birth place) and how they support or contradict the indications given by the distribution and profection.

The 2016 SR has Leo rising with the Sun in the 11th, reinforcing the radix Asc (a strong indication of radix promise being produced in the year) and the placement of radix Venus divisor in the 11th, which is again reinforced by the placement of SR Venus in SR11 conjunct SR Sun with SR Mercury (LoY) critical at 0 GE also in SR11. The year depends strongly on the support of friends and allies, which, by the look of it, he will get. SR Uranus is the most elevated planet, being in SR10 conjunct the MC. Uranus is also the most elevated planet in his radix and so promises a rise in status and Trump's win was certainly a rise in the world and a surprise!

SR Mars, sharing in the distribution, is strongly positioned at 24 SC conjunct the radix IC.
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The 2020 SR has Cancer rising with the SR Moon in the 9th, reinforcing the 3rd/9th indications in the profection. More reinforcement is shown by SR Mars (divisor), ruler of the 10th, also in the 9th. Venus, Lord of the Year, is Retro (reversals) in the SR 11th. None of the SR planets fall in the radix angles. Overall, the year looks weak, as did the profection and the weakened divisor, Mars.
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The 2024 SR has Cancer rising with the Moon at 14 Virgo in the 3rd partile sextile the SR Asc (she's transiting the radix 1st) and in opposition to SR Saturn (LoY), peregrine, stationary (strong) in the SR 9th; he and Neptune are the most elevated planets. SR Mars (divisor), in detriment in 3 Taurus is in the 11th as is the SR Asc.

Saturn and Venus are in Cancer in the radix 11th (associates, friends) and fall in the SR 1st, with SR Saturn trine radix Saturn conjunct Venus; SR Saturn is in better state than radix Saturn and Venus, ruler of the radix 10th, receives him by her exaltation. And SR Saturn is angular in the radix 7th (P1).
The indications are somewhat similar to those in 2020, with the 3rd/9th being emphasized but the Lord of the Year (Saturn) and the divisor (Mars) are both stronger this time around, as is the 11th. One interesting feature, his SR 9th and 12th house planets are transiting his radix 7th and 10th so while they look weak in the world, they are strongly placed in his radix.

In other words, while he may look weak this year he is stronger than he appears.

Harris
Distribution

Saturn is the divisor sharing by a mitigated semi-sextile (conjunction) with Uranus and coloured by the contrascion of Neptune; there has already been an unexpected (Uranus) rise in life that happened when Biden stepped down

Directions and Profection

• Directed Saturn (9 CP) is square the directed nodal axis (9 AR-LI)
• Directed Uranus (11 LE) is not involved in an aspect but it is sitting in Saturn's bound
• Directed Neptune (26 VI) is trine the directed 11th (associates, friends)

So the election is a critical period in her life and her supporters have high hopes (Neptune, 11th). Don't know quite what to make of directed Uranus entering the divisor's bound; especially as it sharing or at least colouring the management of the period. Radix Uranus is conjunct the 4th so it could show an unexpected end to matters, hopefully the Profection and SR will clarify his indications.

• The profection is in the 1st, Gemini, Mercury; although Equal Houses are used for the profection, he remains in the 5th (elections) with the Sun but now Neptune joins them, indicating the 'high hopes' evident from the distribution and the directions. As well, Jupiter has moved from the 12th into the 11th, increasing optimism among supporters
• Saturn is in P9, also repeating his radix placement and sending a trine to the 1st
• Uranus has moved into the 3rd, so weaker than radix Uranus

Solar Return 2024

• Sagittarius on the 1st with Jupiter in the 7th (conflicts); the Asc/Desc axis is the reverse of the radix axis, a bad sign
• Saturn (divisor) at 13 PI is peregrine, retro in the 3rd conjunct (3°) the 4th opposing his radix house (9th) but transiting the radix 10th and in partile opposition to radix Uranus who falls in the SR 9th while SR Uranus (26 TA) is retro and transiting the 12th; with both divisors retro they may take back what they gave earlier (although Uranus was retro in the 2023 SR that applied when she became the nominee)
• SR Mercury (LoY) is at 10 SC, in SR 11th conjunct SR 12, averse to Gemini on the SR 7th but sextile Virgo on the MC; he's transiting the radix 5th
• Venus, the Moon, and Jupiter are all angular in the SR but fall to cadent houses in the SR; while Neptune is angular in the SR but cadent in the radix
• radix Uranus and Pluto are angular but cadent in the SR; Venus remains angular in both

While Trump's planets looks weak 'in the world' while strong in his radix; Harris planets show the reverse, appear strong 'in the world' but fall to weak places in the radix.

Not much is added, primarily shows where her focus lies (on the election) and the buzz that's around her.

Conclusion
While Harris may look stronger than Trump, Trump's radix is receiving stronger inputs and so believe he will win out over Harris with a possibility, given 9th house involvement in both SR charts, that a judicial decision might be required to settle matters. As well, I don't think Trump will actually serve; although I'm not quite sure whether a change in his circumstances will occur around Inauguration Day or later, around March 2025.
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janegca wrote:

Conclusion
While Harris may look stronger than Trump, Trump's radix is receiving stronger inputs and so believe he will win out over Harris with a possibility, given 9th house involvement in both SR charts, that a judicial decision might be required to settle matters. As well, I don't think Trump will actually serve; although I'm not quite sure whether a change in his circumstances will occur around Inauguration Day or later, around March 2025.

Thank you for all your extensive analysis here.

Are you comfortable having your analysis added to my list of detailed delineations for the US Presidential election?

I know your first name is Jane but are you willing to share your full name for the list? If not how do you want to be referred to?

viewtopic.php?t=12458

What country are you located in?

For the uninitiated could you explain a little further what you mean by distribution periods and how these are derived?

Thank you

Mark

Mark wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:17 pm Thank you for all your extensive analysis here.

Are you comfortable having your analysis added to my list of detailed delineations for the US Presidential election?

I know your first name is Jane but are you willing to share your full name for the list? If not how do you want to be referred to?

Hi Mark, yes I'm ok with it being added to the your list of predictions; I'd prefer "Jane G", I'm in Canada.

Mark wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 4:17 pm For the uninitiated could you explain a little further what you mean by distribution periods and how these are derived?

The "distribution periods" are "directions through the bounds" or "circumambulations"; essentially moving the Ascendant through the bounds/terms. The term degree is converted from zodiacal longitude to oblique ascension using the latitude of the birth place and then the difference between that OA and the OA of the Ascendant at birth is converted to years at the rate of 1° of OA = 1 year (some use 59'08" = 1 year).

My calculation is slightly different from the norm as I use the actual OA of each zodiacal degree rather than the average value obtained by taking the sign's total ascension degrees and dividing by 30, which is the usual method; so the timing I show will probably not agree with most software.. For example, I show Trump's Asc entering the first bound of Scorpio, ruled by Mars, on May 26, 2021 while Janus has it entering on June 2, 2022.

The 'distributor' is the term ruler of the degree the Asc has moved into. Any planet or aspect that it encountered when moving through the bounds "shares" the management with the term ruler until the next planet aspect or body is encountered. Abu Ma'shar's says that the Asc also picks up or activates any Lots that are passed through as well as antiscia and fixed stars although I tend to see them as colouring a period rather than fully sharing in the management of the period. As to the outer planets, they do seem to become effective or at the least, colour events in the period they are encountered, but I'm hesitant to say they "share" in the management.

Hope that makes sense and answers your questions.
Jane

Greg Young wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 1:30 pm Libra Ingress - 90 Dial




MERIDIAN

ME/UR
ASC/VENUS
+02 MC = To be happy and glad about the treatment we receive from others. Love's influence upon the mind.(Female - GY).

SA/AD
Focal Point

In a tight spot, compelled to wait. Overcoming a tight spot. Having patience. Forbearance. Trial of patience. Patience. Duration. Long time. Valley. Bottlenecks. Stoppage. Standstill. Coldness. Stiffness. Dryness. Ligature. Depression. The demarcation point. Dividing line. (Delays; Slow- GY).


Well it'll be interesting to see how that lot works out but to the point it simply reiterates all the other charts by showing a clear female influence on the important points such as the MC and here at the Aries Point and more especially the Meridian (MC) point. Moon-Pluto shows how intensely emotional it's about to become. I suspect the fact that Uranus (Activist/Rights) is now retrograde may work in Trumps favour and that this may account for what is likely a very tight and disputed race to the Presidency.

Trump will blow his top when he loses this one.

Panic sets in for Democrats as polls tighten and media interviews fall flat

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pa ... 14b3&ei=10

Greg wrote:

Well it'll be interesting to see how that lot works out but to the point it simply reiterates all the other charts by showing a clear female influence on the important points such as the MC and here at the Aries Point and more especially the Meridian (MC) point. Moon-Pluto shows how intensely emotional it's about to become. I suspect the fact that Uranus (Activist/Rights) is now retrograde may work in Trumps favour and that this may account for what is likely a very tight and disputed race to the Presidency.

Retrograde Uranus seems to be the key to this election as it has been sitting directly on Kamala Harris" 10th lord Jupiter and Trump's MC. Uranus being Uranus, its action has been observed to be unpredictable and prone to sudden changes and extremes. (I wouldn't link Uranus especially to activism and rights since these occurred centuries before the discovery of Uranus.)

I think the fact that Trump's MC is on Harris' Jupiter simply says that they are being brought together for this election contest. As Harris' Jupiter is natal 10th lord, Uranus has brought her very suddenly to the forefront of public attention throughout the world. I am giving sidereal positions here (Krishnamurti) along with the tropical positions so we can all watch the action of Uranus in coming months on these key points in the Harris and Trump charts.. Sidereally on election day transiting Uranus is only 16 minutes from Trump's natal MC. In the tropical zodiac Uranus has already moved past Tump's MC on election day but has retrograded past the MC on inauguration day.

Sidereal Positions:

0 Tau 44 R Jupiter, Harris
1 Tau 21 MC, Trump
1 Tau 37 R Uranus, election day
29 Ari 12 R Inauguration Uranus

Tropical Positions:

24 Tau 00 Jupiter, Harris
24 Tau 21 MC, Trump
25 Tau 44 R Uranus, election day
23 Tau 19 R Inauguration Uranus

(Edited 13 October 2024)