Without going in details with the chart of Saville, we find
SU = VE/MA like Bertrand and = MO/AD
This is a good example of the influence of Admetos.

The Rulebook says of MO/AD
"Stillness, inner contemplation, death of a female person, consolidation, freezing, thawing, remaining immovable".

On Wikipedia, they say...
"A lifelong bachelor, Savile lived with his mother (whom he referred to as the "Duchess") and kept her bedroom and wardrobe exactly as it was when she died."
The influence of Admetos tied to the Moon figure in his life. Knowing this, chances are good that he was born early in the morning.
Reminds me of Psycho by Hitchcock.

james_m wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:05 pm same sources probably... modern traditional astrology, lol..

It does not help to ignore the breaks and distortions made from the 18th century on. Modern astrology especially Psychological Astrology is very different from the tradition.

Zosma wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 1:45 am

Above is the chart for Jimmy Saville no hour of birth is available I placed the Sun in the first house.Just to demonstrate the Sun & moon positions are close with François Bertrand.He had similar tendencies.I would suggest Pluto influences. Lots of Scorpio with Pluto on the north node can't cope with change, death gives a sense of control. Bertrand had Pluto on the Aries point & Sun in Scorpio.

Apparently, Greg Martin rectified Savile’s chart to 4 pm (Astrodienst), which puts the ASC at 19° Aries and MC at 6° Capricorn.

This would put Jupiter in his Joy and the Sun, Venus and Saturn in the whole sign 8th.

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Even if we don’t know Savile’s birth time, I think his life is an example of malefic benefics (title drop!) in action.

Jimmy Savile was a DJ, charity fundraiser, and radio and TV personality. He was known for being flamboyant and eccentric. He presented the show, Jim’ll Fix It, which encouraged children to write letters expressing their wishes, and Jimmy Savile would make them come true at the end of each episode, then the child would get a medal.

He apparently raised about £40 million pounds in charity and had many honours.

Britannica wrote: Savile was the recipient of numerous honors. He notably was made an Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE; 1971) and was knighted (1990) in recognition of his charity work, which included volunteering at various medical establishments, for which he also raised donations. His other awards included a knighthood (1982) from the Vatican.

Here’s an archive of Jimmy Savile’s obituary from 2011. Just read how much they praised this guy.

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Notes:

1. Venus is conjunct the Sun in Scorpio, or combust if you will. It is also in mutual reception with Mars retrograde in Taurus.
2. The Sun and Mars are opposite.
3. Jupiter in Aquarius squares Mars in Taurus.
4. In October 2012, Saturn entered Scorpio, conjunct Savile’s Venus, 1 year after his death. During this time, numerous sexual abuse allegations were made against him.

TL;DR:

Piece of shit paedophile escapes justice in death, protected by the Establishment.

3. Jupiter in Aquarius squares Mars in Taurus.

Not any other square but the combination for entrepreneurs, luck and success... at the Aries Point (to, in, for the world)

MA/JU = Aries Point

Ouranos wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:04 am

3. Jupiter in Aquarius squares Mars in Taurus.

Not any other square but the combination for entrepreneurs, luck and success... at the Aries Point (to, in, for the world)

MA/JU = Aries Point

Not the first time I’ve encountered the Aries Point in this forum.

If you rectify Savile’s birth chart to 4 pm, as Greg Martin did, then the midpoint is in the whole sign 1st house. Jupiter speaks to Savile’s many honours and supposed philanthropy during his life. Again, read Savile’s obituary to realise how popular he was before 2012.

As far as I’m concerned, however, benefics can be wolves in sheep’s clothing. Don’t you agree?

As far as I’m concerned, however, benefics can be wolves in sheep’s clothing. Don’t you agree?

I agree. You can rob your neighbor and get away with it.
Witness Trump with SU=MA/JU

Georgius wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:44 am

james_m wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:05 pm same sources probably... modern traditional astrology, lol..

It does not help to ignore the breaks and distortions made from the 18th century on. Modern astrology especially Psychological Astrology is very different from the tradition.

Your comment, “It does not help to ignore the breaks and distortions made from the 18th century on. Modern astrology especially Psychological Astrology is very different from the tradition.” contains logical flaws that oversimplify the evolution of astrology. It relies on a hasty generalization and false dichotomy, reducing the nuanced relationship between modern and traditional astrology to an unhelpful binary.

In stating that modern astrology, especially psychological astrology, is “very different” from traditional astrology, your statement assumes that all modern approaches have entirely abandoned their traditional roots. This is a hasty generalization, as many contemporary astrologers actively integrate traditional techniques, adapting and reinterpreting them within modern frameworks.

Furthermore, your statement creates a false dichotomy by suggesting a rigid separation between traditional and modern astrology. It ignores the continuity and synthesis that exist between these perspectives. While modern astrology has undoubtedly developed distinct approaches, such as a focus on individual psychology and personal growth, these innovations often build on and evolve principles established in earlier traditions. This interaction demonstrates a living tradition rather than a complete break.

Finally, your dismissal of historical “breaks and distortions” overlooks their potential value. Understanding how astrology has transformed over time allows practitioners to contextualize modern practices within the larger historical narrative. Far from being an obstacle, this historical awareness enriches contemporary astrology, deepening its relevance and applicability.

In short, your logic falters by oversimplifying the relationship between modern and traditional astrology. A more nuanced view acknowledges the complexity of this evolution, highlighting how modern astrology often builds on and reimagines traditional principles rather than departing from them altogether. Accepting both continuity and change is essential to appreciating the richness of astrology’s development.

Kind of looks to be Venus in the 12th as the final depositor
But of interest is the asteroid Anubis conjoining the Ascendant ruler Mars . Anubis protector of graves is afflicted with out of sect malefic.