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thanks... i recall you made a post on the planets being in a narrow band and this being one possible outcome - war - and again, i seem to recall you mentioned barbault as the one who discovered this.. i can go dig up your post, but also, i believe i made mention of it in my first post on this thread too, lol... i think there is a lot of merit in that observation...

but now, you have me a bit confused... so, explain to me what you mean by this part of your earlier post - " we will admit that it is quite normal that at the time of the signing the Sun has often exceeded Jupiter by a certain number of degrees." Sun May 08, 2022 11:21 pm

in other words - jupiter is moving out from under the beams - ie sun is ahead of jupiter in terms of zodiac degrees right???

yes, secrecy is a key part of the very last and few part of the moon cycle - maybe 15 degrees on either side of the sun, especially the area before the sun.. it is said to support activities that require a great deal of secrecy, and what can be gotten from that...

yes - the covid dynamic also fits with the close clustering of the planets too, but i do recall barbault mentioning an epidemic was a possibility as a result of the jupiter-saturn-pluto conjunction... he mentioned it in his book that i have an english translation of, published in 2015 or thereabouts.. thanks for your commentary..

but now, you have me a bit confused... so, explain to me what you mean by this part of your earlier post - " we will admit that it is quite normal that at the time of the signing the Sun has often exceeded Jupiter by a certain number of degrees." Sun May 08, 2022 11:21 pm

After the beginning of the war in February, the Sun was approaching a conjunction with Jupiter which was an opportunity for peace or armistice.
But it did not happen. In his analysis, Gouchon gave a 20 degrees orb on either side of the conjunction.
With that orb, he found 19 armistices on 60 cases, far beyond the average which would be 1/10 or 6 armistices.

prior to the feb 24th 2002 essentially it is jupiter in the suns first house... after the conjunction about march 4-5th, it becomes a jupiter in the suns 12th house.... so the opportunity for armistice is with jupiter in the first house of the sun... that is what you are saying? i think that is what you are saying barbault concluded.. or 20 degree orb on either side of the exact conjunction in which case - all my talk of jupiter under the beams of the sun is irrelevant!

it is true that if both sides had honoured the minsk 11 agreements, or if nato had supported ukraine in honouring the minsk 11 agreement, the situation would not be what it is now..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements this is one of the many reasons i see nato as the main character in the war at present... fwiw - it needs to be noted wikipedia is based in the usa and very much an arm of the american or western corporations framing all information in a particular context... it can be a useful tool, up to a point!

as you can see in the osce links i provided earlier - this was not to be.. maybe the opportunity for peace will come again, but it seems to me there are many more participants interested in a continuation of war, then in peace here..

André Barbault's research on the relationship between the Sun-Jupiter conjunction and ceasefire days is quite intriguing.

Based on my understanding of Mars, no one (or planet) can impede a fully armed Mars. unless Mars is defeated by a more powerful Mars (another version of itself), or Mars decides to stop on its own (after achieving its goals, feeling fatigued, or running out of ammunition - money or support).

speaking of cease fires, however fragile or tentative -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Isra ... _agreement



no sun-jupiter conjunction, but a very wide sun-jupiter opposition, moving into focus in the next 2 weeks... this chart is for beirut lebannon, 2am - gmt nov 27th 2024... i think i have the chart correct, but others can check if they'd like..

the jupiter-saturn midpoint is at 0 taurus 16 - tropical zodiac... pluto on nov 27th -in this chart was at 0 aquarius 03.. to give you more of an idea - jupiter/saturn is presently at 0 taurus 15'29 - backing up ever so slowly, while pluto is now at 0 aq 08'27 - getting closer to the ju/sa midpoint... jupiter and saturn are in a square relationship with one another.. jupiter is presently retrograde as is mercury..

i thought i would resurrect this thread, as it appears the munich security conference has shed new light on the conflict in ukraine... as a women from ukraine was quoted and asked yesterday by DW news what might come of the usa-russia discussions on a ceasefire, her response was ""It's as if the war is a hockey game and Ukraine is the puck."
The people around her nodded in agreement...

i am sure there are a lot of ways to try to untangle this astrologically, but i was drawn to a look at the solar return for the nato chart this coming april 4th, on what will be it's 76th anniversary... both these charts are in sidereal zodiac.. first the chart for nato, followed by the 2025 solar return..
here is the biwheel with nato april 4, 1949 chart on the inside and 2025 solar return on the outside..
in my limited study and comparison of tropical verses sidereal solar returns, i have found that the sidereal data is more reliable.. this is not an easy conclusion to come to and i am sure not everyone will share my viewpoint, however it is based on my own examination of the large differences found between the 2 different charts and connections...

in this particular consideration, i note the triple conjunction of saturn, mercury and venus in early pisces, lands on the descendant of the nato chart here... this tells us that the relationships involving the various countries that are a part of nato are facing the great difficulty of knowing how to move forward with what i consider a very outdated security arrangement, especially for europe... just how they process and respond to the bombshell of the speech from jd vance at the munich security conference of a few days ago, remains to be seen, but the idea of a restructuring seems inevitable.. all of these countries with the exception of usa are moving towards a conversation on a peace agreement between russia and usa... one could consider the usa as the leader of nato, and it is no coincidence nato is headquartered in washington either.. but i think europe has been under this false impression of security when in fact all of them have contributed to a much greater degree of insecurity... the irony is not lost on everyone...

i have more to say on these charts, but will post this first and comment more later..

here is a sustack article that captures some of my own thinking on this..
https://trendcompass.substack.com/p/hur ... fracturing

https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/02/18/eu ... a-ukraine/

i have a few more observations to make on the 2025 solar return for nato based off these charts...

the details on the chart remain the same - it is in sidereal zodiac... the nato chart i am using is april 4, 1949, 1642 time in washington dc..

the close midheaven-moon conjunction found in this natal chart for nato is being aspected directly by the rising saturn, mercury, venus conjunction found in the 2025 solar return chart.. it is a fairly significant configuration and directly impacts the role and position that nato sees for itself..

as everyone knows, jd vance gave a speech at the munich security conference which essentially upended the idea of usa leadership for nato and more generally, given the radical stance that has been put in place since donald trumps inauguration... add to this trumps pointed views that zelensky is a dictator, or that trump has engaged directly with v putin, while ignoring any participation by europe - its nato allies - or ukraine, the country that was supposed to be yet another one of the expansionary ideas for incorporation into nato... all this has been slammed... instead of nato expanding to include ukraine, it appears the opposite is in store... and all the members of nato, excluding the usa, appear in a state of disarray...

meanwhile an election is taking place this sunday in germany, where the leadership candidates will have to respond to all this fall out in some context.. as i said on another thread, i can't see anything significant coming out of this rushed election, but instead germany and many of the european countries will struggle with the concept of actual leadership, now that the leadership that have been leaning so heavily has been pulled from them..

i think the astro from the solar return here is certainly relevant... i don't know what the profection data says, but will look at that to see what is being emphasized... also fwiw - there is a 2nd chart for nato, but i feel the results off this one have a lot of merit..

relevant article from march 12th on the topic of nato -
https://www.kitklarenberg.com/p/collaps ... to-is-dead

an important interview with jeffrey sachs from march 17th 2025
Jeffrey Sachs: Peace Negotiations & the End of NATO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BljAmYrjn08&t=150s