I have two classmates with whom I socialised a lot for these several months. I cannot say that they are my best friends. I have a good laugh with them,but still don't trust that much. We make stupid videos for tiktok and have pictures. When I ask them to share them to me, they don't.
The videos and pictures, but rather the videos, are stupid and not much of a worrying content. But I really wonder. As I would like to have them for memory, but oh well. I have an issue with trusting them that they wouldn't act crappy.

I am presented by Venus. They, as my classmates are 7th house. The understanding of friendship always is everyone we hang out, but I'll give it a look. Venus is jn Aries and Mars's face, my good thoughts on these people. The videos and pictures, as something they take, are 5th from 7th house. (11th house). Virgo and ruler Mercury. What's interesting is that there's the South Node. I guess that means these materials are not so viral. Mercury js almost in 5th house, but also 11th from 7th house. That is, the house of their friends. About the further perception of the hypothetical friends, Jupiter is Gemini, its detriment but also the face of Mars and term of Venus. The friends are sort of find the videos interesting, but they cringe and give attention to my classmates and me.
Mars is in Cancer which is the exaltation of Jupiter. My classmates want to give a good laugh to their friends. Mars is square Venus so they believe that I wouldn't be fine with them showing these videos.

Asked in 19.02.2025, 22:52 pm, Pleven, Bulgaria.
I looked at the chart using 11th house, but it doesn't make as much sense as 5th house from. 11th has Jupiter as a ruler in Gemini in 8th house (their 10th house). Somehow I think the first interpretation gives a better realistic meaning.

Hello Rain,

11th house is typically your social connections, even if they aren't your best friends. You mention there being 2 of them and you have a bicorporeal sign (2 things) on the 11th (Virgo) and the 11th lord is in one as well, so I would take them as Mercury. Bicorporeal signs can often have two faces to them too, so it is interesting given the background information.

Jupiter does not lord the 11th but it is still emphasized here (lords the 11th lord and aspects it via mutual reception from the 8th).

Mercury is in detriment in the 5th house of pleasure and square Jupiter in the 8th house, also in detriment. Mercury in Pisces makes sense for taking videos as well, so I think this sig fits them.

Several things I don't like here: 1. SN in the 11th house. This can point to enemies in the guise of friends. It can also suggest being ill at ease in social situations and feeling like you don't fit in with other young people. 2. Mercury is known as the "trickster" in astrology when it is ill dignified because it can be a liar. 3. You are in aversion (do not aspect), so their behavior can be more secretive and suspect. Add to this that they don't even aspect the ascendant, so they are likely working against you somehow. This may not necessarily be intentional given they are ruled by Jupiter, but they may just be people who are not whole or are distorted in some sense. If they are young, maybe they just need to grow up. Do they have money and are wasteful/debacherous or spoiled? That seems like the Mercury-Jupiter 8th house signification in some sense. You are also aspecting Jupiter here. Normally Jupiter is a good thing but here I don't think so. Maybe you might understand this better given you know more about the interactions. I might interpret it as them being a bad influence/bad energy. Normally Jupiter is wise and big picture but here it could be more superficial, etc.

Here is what Lilly says:

When Jupiter is unfortunate, then he wastes his patrimony, suffers every one to cozen him, is hypocritically religious, tenacious, and stiff in maintaining false tenets in religion; he is ignorant, careless, nothing delightful in the love of his friends; of a gross, dull capacity, schismatical, abasing himself in all companies, crouching and stooping where no necessity is.

Venus in detriment in Aries is classically associated with social embarrassment or at least being treated different socially (I should know, as a natal Venus in Aries), so I would be careful around them, as you picked up on. The ascendant is late, as is the Moon (it makes no further aspect in its current sign but is within orb of square Sun), so perhaps the intuitive Scorpionic influence you have is correct and you already know that. The fact that the Sun lords the 10th, a public house, might suggest that the truth of what they have been doing will become known to you.

Thanks for the interpretation. Can you provide nore details, if possible? Is there something financially involved? Are they having good intentions even if there's embarrassment towards me?
They are quite careless and to me seem like someone who easily spends money.

Hi Tanit3333 and RainT6ddz,

Pardon my butting in, but I'd have said this chart isn't radical.

1. Ascendant is in very late Libra and Lilly says not to judge if ASC is 27, 28, or 29.

If 27, 28, 29 degrees ascend of any Sign, it’s no ways safe to give judgement, except the Querent be in years corresponding to the number of degrees ascending;3 or unless the Figure be set upon acertain time, viz. a man went away or fled at such a time precise; here you may judge, because it’s no propounded question.

https://www.skyscript.co.uk/considerations.pdf

2. Ruler of the ASC is Venus and hour ruler when chart was cast in RainT6ddz's location was Saturn. Not the same, of the same elemental triplicity or the same complexion.

3. Moon is VOC, if you rule out applying trine to NN. (I was under the impression the aspect had to be to an actual object, not a point in space.)

Am I wrong here?

Don't like to be a killjoy, but there it is.

--stargeezer

Am I wrong here?

It is not uncommon for novices to have Considerations Before Judgment pop up in their charts. The chart itself reflects the matter, which for me is first and foremost important. Some astrologers do not use the considerations at all, such as followers of Frawley. My biggest question is always, "does the chart make sense?" Even supposedly rooted charts can still be problematic.

Ultimately, it is up to the astrologer to decide if it is radical and we aren't the astrologer. I mentioned the late ascendant and Moon in my response. I honestly never look at hour agreement anymore because I haven't seen from experience that it is needed, but that is just my opinion. The Moon is within orb of an aspect to the Sun, since the traditional orb is well over 10 degrees. Even Lilly used out of sign aspects at times and I know astrologers like Anthony Louis do as well. Many perfectly accurate charts have a late or early ascendant or VOC Moons, it is just that the symbolism is communicating something to the astrologer.

Can you provide nore details, if possible? Is there something financially involved? Are they having good intentions even if there's embarrassment towards me?
They are quite careless and to me seem like someone who easily spends money.

I think the wisest thing to do would be to better address this yourself by approaching your acquaintances to ask them what they are up to. It could perhaps suggest that whatever they are doing is public anyway though and you just havent seen it yet and need to look for it. Whatever the case, the chart suggests that the truth is there for you to see if you make the effort. The biggest overarching advice from the chart is likely that they are not good people to be around and that you should make better choices in who you spend your time with and who influence you. Whether someone is intentionally bad or not does not excuse bad behavior.

They are also combust, which is common when Mercury is again hiding something. This is said to be the best time to get away with Mercurial things. However, the Moon's applying to the Sun and Sun naturally lords the truth and illumination.

I won't pretend to understand the social dynamics of young people and what they are specifically doing, only that whatever it is does not seem entirely innocuous. I think the fact that they are lorded by Jupiter could suggest it ties into belief systems in some way. Mars aspects almost everything here from the 9th as well and this can relate to fanaticism in some way, not necessarily religious but some belief system that is exaggerated. Maybe passive aggressive undertones of that. As you said, Jupiter can relate to trying to be funny, however, that doesn't really explain the overall tone of the chart. They might believe they are funny when they are being rude, offensive and insensitive, perhaps.

Tanit3333 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2025 1:54 pm

Am I wrong here?

It is not uncommon for novices to have Considerations Before Judgment pop up in their charts. The chart itself reflects the matter, which for me is first and foremost important. Some astrologers do not use the considerations at all, such as followers of Frawley. My biggest question is always, "does the chart make sense?" Even supposedly rooted charts can still be problematic.

Ultimately, it is up to the astrologer to decide if it is radical and we aren't the astrologer. I mentioned the late ascendant and Moon in my response. I honestly never look at hour agreement anymore because I haven't seen from experience that it is needed, but that is just my opinion. The Moon is within orb of an aspect to the Sun, since the traditional orb is well over 10 degrees. Even Lilly used out of sign aspects at times and I know astrologers like Anthony Louis do as well. Many perfectly accurate charts have a late or early ascendant or VOC Moons, it is just that the symbolism is communicating something to the astrologer.

Okay, Thanks.

--stargeezer