Trump began speaking, from the White House Rose Garden, at 4:07 PM on April 2, 2025; announcing his tariff's to the world. The chart appears highly descriptive of the moment:

• The MC is ruled by Venus, exalted in Pisces; her exaltation points to the head of the country, the President.
• Venus also rules the 3rd (communication), is in the 8th (tariffs, taxes, debts), partile conjunct the North Node (expansive) within a degree of Mercury (speech) with Gemini intercepted in the 10th containing Jupiter (wealth) conjunct the Moon (people). The speech (Mercury) is about imposing tariffs (8th) on the world under the guise of collecting debts (8th) the world owes to the US and so restoring its wealth (Jupiter).
• The 8th is 11th from the 10th with the 11th being the legislature, the body that sets the laws; notably, the US Constitution gives the right to levy tariffs to the legislature, not the Executive.
• The 11th is ruled by the Moon, peregrine in the 10th, so Trump has captured the legislature; taken over their primary function of establishing laws. The Moon is just within orb of an applying square to Venus so possibly, in the near future, the legislature will fight back (square) on this with the support of the general population (Mercury rules the Asc, disposits the Moon and is separating from a conjunction of Venus and about to go direct).
• Venus is trine a Mars in Fall in the 11th and ruling the 9th of international trade and 4th of the US's resources and land. An indication that both foreign countries and the US itself will be affected by the trade changes his tariffs will incur, with the trine indicating the affects will be realized swiftly and easily.
• That the President's actions caught the world, as a whole, off guard might be indicated by Uranus in the 9th of international trade conjunct the MC and sextile the Mercury/Venus/Node conjunction. For now, the disruption is mainly affecting international (9th) and neighbouring countries (opposition to 3rd) but with Mercury, Mars, Venus, and Saturn all in applying sextiles with Uranus the disruptions are bound to increase.

I'm probably missing any number of indications. Mercury will go direct on Monday, April 7 followed by Venus going direct on Sunday, April 13 so perhaps there will be new developments on those dates. Mercury will move into Aries on Thursday, April 17 and move to trine Mars who will move into Leo two days later so possibly some verbal fireworks at that time from both the legislature and the American people.

Interesting times I, for one, could definitely do without

Nice analysis Jane,

What strucked me is the last aspect of the Moon in Gemini to its ruler Mercury (detriment, R, conjunct Neptune in the 8th). And as a representation of how it ends. Make America in need of a lifeguard.

The Moon in Gemini in the 10th House indicates that Trump is likely focused on his public image, career, or reputation. Gemini here suggests that he might be dealing with multiple ideas or projects and may feel somewhat scattered or mentally busy in his pursuit of tarifs. A lack of clear communication, confusion and Mercury being in the 8th House ties it to more hidden, secretive matters dealing with this war.

In essence, the square suggests that Trump is grappling with tension between his outer ambitions and his internal emotional world or relationships, which could create obstacles or make it hard to move forward with confidence from what we have seen in his speech. (Mercury R). Can we say that Trump changes his mind?

A final note. U.S.A has the midpoint MA/JU at the Aries Point making it one of the largest economy in the world.
With SA/NE about to hit this midpoint, we can say that America is about to get sick.

Ouranos

The new york stock market chart ( I use Keville rectified 10:34 time)
have transiting Uranus on Mercury Sun (trade). Causing great unpredictability - wonder what transiting Saturn and Neptune on the South Node (decrease) will give ? This occur also on 0' degree Aries (Worldpoint) - Recession ?

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bu ... b-KsACB9wQ

This chart is uncertain in time, but will probably have a Leo Ascendant at least.....

Ho Ouranos, Thanks for commenting.

Ouranos wrote: Thu Apr 03, 2025 6:17 pm What strucked me is the last aspect of the Moon in Gemini to its ruler Mercury (detriment, R, conjunct Neptune in the 8th). And as a representation of how it ends. Make America in need of a lifeguard.

Did not think to look at that, usually just the first applying aspect. Nice metaphor, Congress (Moon) coming to rescue the people (Mercury) or vice-versa?

The Moon in Gemini in the 10th House indicates that Trump is likely focused on his public image, career, or reputation. Gemini here suggests that he might be dealing with multiple ideas or projects and may feel somewhat scattered or mentally busy in his pursuit of tarifs. A lack of clear communication, confusion and Mercury being in the 8th House ties it to more hidden, secretive matters dealing with this war.

Well if his brain's not muddled, he's certainly muddled others...no one appears to be even willing to guess what he'll do next or why he is doing any of this.

In essence, the square suggests that Trump is grappling with tension between his outer ambitions and his internal emotional world or relationships, which could create obstacles or make it hard to move forward with confidence from what we have seen in his speech. (Mercury R). Can we say that Trump changes his mind?

Retrograde could imply a turn-about but Masha'allah (or was it Ibn Ezra?) said a retrograde planet can not receive and often returns the disposition in a corrupted state. That might be what happens here; Moon (Congress') disposition returned with difficulties and corruption?

A final note. U.S.A has the midpoint MA/JU at the Aries Point making it one of the largest economy in the world.
With SA/NE about to hit this midpoint, we can say that America is about to get sick.

Ouch Don't use Midpoints or the Aries Point but would that hold for the world, given the Aries Point is the same for everyone?

Stefan wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 11:51 am The new york stock market chart ( I use Keville rectified 10:34 time)
have transiting Uranus on Mercury Sun (trade). Causing great unpredictability - wonder what transiting Saturn and Neptune on the South Node (decrease) will give ? This occur also on 0' degree Aries (Worldpoint) - Recession ?

Hi Stefan ... that is interesting, given everyone says it's falling because of uncertainty (Uranus?). Right now (4:20 PM EDT) CNN has the DOW, S&P 500, and NASDAQ all down more than 5%, worse than yesterday. Given that Mars is partile trine Saturn with Uranus partile sextile them both I'm wondering if it will continue to drop until Mars separates from them on Sunday? Rarely look at financial astrology so just thinking out loud here.

Edit: oops, make that next Tuesday, they will all move to 25 deg, Mars moves to 26 on Tuesday, Saturn will stay partile sextile to Uranus until the 14th. Hope the slide will not go on that long!

Just popping in to say thanks for this thread Jane - such an interesting and resonant chart!

Retrograde could imply a turn-about but Masha'allah (or was it Ibn Ezra?) said a retrograde planet can not receive and often returns the disposition in a corrupted state.

Interesting!
I looked at the last aspect to see how this will end.
Cannot remember the quote from Morin who said that a planet in hard aspect to its ruler is a bad omen as an indication on how things will end and a double indication here being the last aspect and the Moon squaring its ruler.

Don't use Midpoints or the Aries Point but would that hold for the world, given the Aries Point is the same for everyone?

Yes, it influences the world at large.
U.S.A MA and JU shows work or activity (MA) for justice or money (JU).
But the influence of SA/NE/NN is a separation and dissolution of promises and agreements with the world.
China has SA/NN and SA/NE at the Aries Point (contagious diseases spreading out in the world).
And all these influences are currently in the midpoint UR/PL = Aries Point
The order of the world is not stable.


The tariff war started under the trine MA in Cancer to Saturn in Pisces with UR in the midpoint
MA/SA = UR Sudden and violent actions which separate.

For those interested: Donald Trump finished signing the Executive Order for the "Liberation Day" tariffs at 4:56 pm EDT in Washington, DC.
I timed this myself and was verified from a live Fox News feed with their on-screen time clock.

Thank you AJ for noting the time,

Jane, you mentioned that the 11th House ruled by the Moon, peregrine in the 10th, that Trump has captured the legislature and taken over their primary function of establishing laws. Yes and Mars is also debilitated in the 11th House (powerless to act).

Other quotes for the 11th House by Deb Houlding...
https://www.skyscript.co.uk/11.html

"Lilly noted that if the querent has a secret wish but is unwilling to explain what it is, the condition of this house will show whether or not they are likely to receive what they desire.
The hopes of the nation. Watters notes; "when afflicted, it indicates the people are disillusioned"
In Commerce, agents or intermediaries who act on behalf of the seller or person that you trade with." (or other countries)"
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With the Moon last square Mercury in Pisces (SR) in the 8th, there is confusion and lack of clarity in his message. Practical details could be blurry or elusive. Delays, miscommunications and related to past issues (SR) or a need to revisit or resolve communication problems regarding finances with other countries.
If there was an astrologer in the White House, he should have warned Trump that it's a time of reflection and reassessment rather than forward movement. Double-check details, clarify misunderstandings and be mindful of how you express yourself. But according to Trump, he has the 'I don't care attitude'.

Note: Trump is a good example of Moon-Mercury effect to the world as he has this midpoint at the Aries Point. He changes his mind constantly, not reliable, always expressing himself with emotion. And he puts his personal diary as an opened book to the world.
Liz Green would say that in childhood he may have been facing an environment where the father said something and the mother something else, leading to indecision and constantly shifting in his opinions.
“That’s why I’m so screwed up, because I had a father that pushed me pretty hard,” he wrote in his 2007 book, Think Big. Mary Trump, his mother, by contrast, has been more of a ghost in his voluminous public record, a cardboard cutout of a character. She was an acquiescent housewife, a spouse who didn’t hassle her dour, driven husband, a mother who relished pomp and planted the seeds of her second son’s acumen for showmanship and promotion. A picture of Mary Trump highlights her theatrically styled and orange-tinted hair. "When I would play with Donald," says Mark Golding, an early pal, "his father would be around and watch him play. His mom didn’t interact in that way." (Politico, The Mystery of Mary Trump).

Ouranos

Deb wrote: Fri Apr 04, 2025 9:50 pm Just popping in to say thanks for this thread Jane - such an interesting and resonant chart!

Ouranos wrote: Sat Apr 05, 2025 1:08 am Cannot remember the quote from Morin who said that a planet in hard aspect to its ruler is a bad omen as an indication on how things will end and a double indication here being the last aspect and the Moon squaring its ruler.

Ah, I'll have to keep that in mind for the future.

The tariff war started under the trine MA in Cancer to Saturn in Pisces with UR in the midpoint
MA/SA = UR Sudden and violent actions which separate.

Thanks for the info Ouranos. He certainly appears to have separated the US from the rest of the world.

Had to laugh at your other post, that his mother tinted her hair orange

thanks for the post jane and others... it raises a number of questions for me and i will share them..

astrologers will use the beginning time of an event, or the end time ( thanks aj ) and attempt to unravel meaning from this data entry point as much as possible.. another option is attached to the moment, or moments back to a root chart, in this case if one thinks this is ''all about trump'' the root chart to consider would be trumps ( see ouranos midpoints for one example of this approach ) ... yet another option is the one taken for stefan ( thanks stefan ) of using an american stock market exchange chart - nyse.... yet another possibility and one i was working on behind the scenes is the chart i most favour for the usa - the president of the usa chart.. perhaps i will elaborate on this.. https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Hi ... Washington i use the time of 12:45pm, as opposed to 1pm listed in this link..

what i find interesting is this search for meaning via all the various ways astrologers have of finding some shred of meaning or insight.. an appreciation of history to have a larger framework or perspective to gain greater insight is always helpful.. in my limited abilities i continue to believe these tariffs are obviously financially driven.. what is the underlying trigger for these tariffs at this time?? is it all on trump, or is it possible the level of debt the usa is carrying is unsustainable and an alternative has to be found to address this underlying problem? it's a serious problem either way! this appears to be trumps attempt at addressing it, regardless whether one thinks or believes his approach is right or wrong.. the more conspiratorial idea is that just like the financial breakdown of 2008 when the banks were bailed out and the little person took the hit , it appears a similar dynamic is possible here as well... leaving all that aside, i will just make a few observations on the event chart that jane has shared in a biwheel with trumps ( tropical zodiac ) chart.. that is the chart shown below..
what are the outstanding transits to trumps chart here?
- t uranus conjunct natal midheaven.. the disrupter personified..

- t mars conjunct natal saturn-venus.. he is inflicting some pain on most of the world - tough love, or just indiscriminate pain imposed?

- t jupiter-moon conjunct natal uranus.. a further extension to the uranian energy for good or bad- mostly bad if you use outer planets... i generally view a jupiter transit to uranus as one of the most positive and liberating transits going, but it has to be taken in the larger astrological framework here..

- t saturn square natal sun ( separating )... this can be a squelching dynamic on the sun, which happens to be the ruler of his leo ascendant too..

- a concentration of transiting planets in the 8th house area in trumps chart.. generally a challenging time and reorientation in consideration of others is necessary..

- t sun in the midpoint area of jupiter-neptune... will the speculation pay off down the road? sun at jupiter-neptune highlights speculation as i understand it.

- t venus and t mercury 150 trumps mars.. this is an 8th house type aspect as i see it, generating more potential conflict related to these planets.

maybe there are some other important transits, but that is what i see here, if we make trump the focal point of all this.. from 23- 25 cardinal, which is where mars is - we have a number of midpoints in trumps chart being hit by this t mars.. sun/mars.. mercury/pluto.. moon/mars.. mars/nodes.. venus/saturn

the mutual exchange in the transit chart of mercury and jupiter is interesting.. these planets are the planets that rule over trumps 2/8 natal houses in the house system i use.. dealing with your own or others resources is a key theme.. these planets jupiter and mercury are said to not do well in gemini or pisces, respectively..

trump claims the usa is the victim of unfair trade practices.. it is an interesting approach to claim victim status here, but i am sure it appeals to the maga crowd.. he also claims ''foreigners are taking advantage of us''. all of this sounds like denial to me - a very neptunian dynamic.. my take is the american empire is definitely in decline... an acknowledgement of this would be most helpful, but unlikely forthcoming.. striking out at other countries, while in this position is a sad response but not completely unexpected..

maybe i'll comment on all the astrological action in relation to the potusa chart in another post..

relevant commentary on this - https://www.nefariousrussians.com/p/the ... y-doctrine