Hi All,

does anyone know where the America Party was founded? I would like to cast an inception chart for the party, but the only information I found about it is Elon Musk's 5 July tweet. The tweet was posted at 9:46 PM, but there's no information about Elon Musk's actual location at the time when he declared the birth of this new political party.

I am not familiar with the formation of new political parties in the US, so I checked the FEC website in the hope I may find some documents about this party, but it seems that registration with the Federal Election Commission is mandatory only if a party raises money over a certain treshold. I then searched FEC's advisory opinions database, but found nothing about the America Party.

Hi Flora

I wrote something about that recently in this public Facebook post.
Initially, I wanted feedback to help confirm the time, but if you read the thread you’ll see the real issue became how to ground this to a specific location. After getting quite a lot of varied feedback, I now lean towards the view that Washington DC is as good a place to focus the chart as anywhere else. Others commented that until the party is formally registered (if it ever is), it isn’t actually created, despite Musk’s announcement. Still, this might hold some relevance as a kind of ‘conception chart’.

I haven’t recreated the chart for a new location yet myself, but plan to do so soon.

Deb

Hi Flora and Deb - I had the same thought - set the chart for Washington, DC, which is presumably where Musk wants the party's impact to be felt.

I've posted the chart below, set for DC and 15:46, Porphyry cusps. The chart relocated to DC doesn't seem to shout 'success' at me but I haven't studied it in detail.




Here is the bi-wheel with Elon Musk's chart on the outside. There are plenty of cross-chart contacts, with, as Deb has pointed out, Elon's Sun and Mercury partile conjunct the announcement Sun and Jupiter being particularly striking. However his natal positions land in the AP 8th house for Washington, DC. I have just noticed the Moon-Mars cross chart contacts. Musk's Moon is close to the AP Mars, and Musk's Mars squares the AP's rising Moon. Musk's Mars is also on the AP IC. Do these Moon-Mars contacts suggest that the AP will energise the voting public, or just be a vehicle for the grievances of a few disaffected citizens?




Best wishes. Ed

Hi Deb and Ed,

thanks for your replies. I haven't studied the chart in detail either - will do so from today. I have read the discussion on Facebook and I think I will stick to the Washington DC chart because the argument that the creation of a new political party concerns the entire US is a very convicing one.

There are many key moments in the creation of a political party (even though based on Saturn-Neptune I believe Musk will create something different - a movement and possibly attempt to create a global movement). As you wrote, Deb, arguments in favor or against any given chart could be endless. The Washington chart is relevant and even if we are not really sure about the angles, we can still compare planetary positions to other foundation charts. We need some minimum common denominator, else discussion becomes impossible.

Then we can continue monitoring the media to when this new political party will be registered (yet with Saturn/Neptune squaring Jupiter and the Moon opposing Uranus he may just not bother with registration).

In the meantime I have performed a few searches to understand where Musk may have been on July 5. According to ElonJetTracker (https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonJetTracker/) Musk's private jet landed in San Jose on June 24, and took off from San Jose on July 8. We know the jet was in San Jose on July 5, but this information doesn't prove Musk was in San Jose too. In the two weeks between June 24 and July 8 he may have travelled to other cities or states.

Thanks Flora - it will be an interesting development if it comes to fruition. The idea of a world-wide Musk-led movement is intriguing, if not a bit frightening!

Have you seen this thread on temperament:

viewtopic.php?t=12995

It compares the temperament makeup of Trump, Vance, Theil and Musk.

Keep us updated with any new developments and insights.

Ed

Hi Ed,

thanks for the link! Had a quick look at the Washington chart.

Saturn and Neptune in the Washington chart - the undoing or at least weakening of rules, institutions, established practices fall right on the Moon of the Great Conjunction (chart set for Washington), at the Mid-heaven. Musk's tweet came as Jupiter and Saturn formed a square.... As for the America's Party chart, I think it the party will have a lasting and strong impact on US politics. It may be a very personalistic party, and one fanning the flames of polemics, capitalizing on popular discontent (Mercury/Moon opposition squaring the Ascendant, plus the fixed stars mentioned below)

The angles in the Washington chart are fixed, suggesting this party or movement will not end soon. The Sun is in Cancer and the three lords of the water triplicity are angular. The Moon is waxing and angular, trine the Part of Fortune.

True, the Moon is in fall and it has to complete an opposition to Uranus before it leaves Scorpio. One very final step to make? He will come up with something shocking, perhaps, but I don't think Musk will back down. Also the condition of the Moon may be more descriptive of the context in which the announcement was made.

In the XVIII and XIX Centuries the formation of a political party involved at minimum a meeting of those sharing the same political ideas and ambitions, if not a congress. Even the idea to create a political party used to discussed in person by those who were interested. What we've witnessed instead has been Musk's more or less unilateral announcement that the America Party was born. Where are the people? Where are the founders of this party? They just cast their vote in a straw poll. This is what we were told through X.

I had a quick look at fixed stars. The Moon is close to the Claws of the Scorpion, a star of malevolence and lying. The Ascendant is close to Alphecca - Corona Borealis - the name of this star speaks for itself. Interestingly the Sun is close to Sirius and Canopus. This latter star is named after the chief pilot of the fleet of Menelaos....making me think of all the various "great helmsmen", "guides", "leaders" etc. in recent history. Ras Elased Borealis and Australis culminate, pointing to language, to the power of words.

Hi Flora - wonderful insights - thanks for sharing these.

I loved the point about the resonance between the launch/announcement and the Great Conjunction chart set for Washington, DC.

Great work with the fixed stars as well.

Best wishes. Ed

there seems to be a trend here... i see jeremy corbyn has announced a new party for the uk as well... hopefully someone can find a start time for this as well, as i am very curious.... i guess some are unhappy with present state of politics and hope for a change...

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdeze706jw8o