Querent's dad is old (85-ish) and has started to take a new anti-gout medicine (Febuxostat), which can have strong side effects.
Querent's dad took the same medicine 1.5 years ago, and then treatment was stopped, as the medicine caused much tiredness and a serious lack of appetite.
But the gout returned now and querent and her dad's doctor decided to give this medicine another chance (with lower doses).
Querent asked 'whether the gout medicine will work this time, without side effects, or whether it will be like the last time they gave it to dad'.

Spoiler: I solved the horary for the querent three weeks before, but querent called me today and said that I've got it wrong.
I'm trying to understand what went wrong, but would like to hear your take on the chart first.
Then I would publish the way I approached the chart, and the feedback from the querent.

First of all, this chart is not radical to me. One should not expect to get a meaningful answer through it.
But if one does not want to stop here (we should!) then:

The dad is L4, Saturn in fall.
The treatment (and medication) is 10th from 4th which is the 1st. Significator Mars is participating triplicity lord.

No connection between the two. The medicine is not that bad but will not help the dad. Moon is void of course: Nothing will be accomplished.

I would have tell the querent that it is useless to try again. Concerning the past problems I would say it is not worth the risk.

Georgius thanks,
Some nice insights there, and quite in tune with my own approach.

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My proposed solution to the querent:
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- L4 is the dad, Saturn in Fall, which would turn retro soon, and thus evade a cnj with Neptune which can symbolize weakness and deterioration. Also after turning retro, Saturn would eventually leave its fall, and thus will get stronger.
- Mars is the medicine as it's located in the 10th (of medicine) and is the ruler of turned 10th from 4th. Mars also is in the detriment of Jupiter (which I gave the disease too), this makes sense as it reduced gout.
- The disease is Jupiter for a few reasons: (a) It's the closest planet to the cusp of the turned 6th house. (b) The receptions may show that it's it, as it's in the detriment of Saturn (dad) and the fall of Mars (the medicine). This makes sense in context of the chart. (c) Jupiter is also quite apt to describe gout, which is a disease of accumulation of uric acid and some swelling. (d) Jupiter is also doing a hard square to dad, Saturn. A separating square, this is all happening after the gout came back.

How I thought things would turn out:
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- We have a negative reception, and a separating harmonic aspect, between Mars and Jupiter. I thought this means that the medicine would reduce the gout (which it did).
- Saturn (dad) is in the domicile of Mars (the medicine). I thought it's a good sign, that shows that this time no serious side effects would come to bear (as L4 likes Mars). Also Mars doesn't make any hard aspects to Saturn and isn't located in a sign which is hostile to it.
- I used the Moon as a general indicator. As it would soon leave Gemini and enter its domicile of Cancer, I considered it as a beneficial sign. One must note, though, that the moon will also enter combustion soon, which is less benign. And that it would conjunct Jupiter (the gout), but I hoped that it may only mean some adjustment time to the re-taking of the old medicine. Maybe a crisis period, after which things will be streamlined.
- Radical L4 (end of matter) is a relatively strong Venus in an okay house.
- The part of disease is in 10 Aries, disposited by Mars. This may mean that the medicine controls the gout, or maybe that it adds to the gout. This is less clear.
- Two contrary indicator: The moon is indeed void, and the angles of the chart are fixed (which may show 'no change'). Despite this point, and the one above it, it seemed to me that there are more positive testimonies than negative ones.

What querent told me a few weeks after:
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- The medicine again caused dad to develop extreme tiredness and severe lack of appetite, despite the fact it reduced the gout.
- In consequence, they've stopped administering it.
- They are looking for alt medicines and treatments currently.

Hi Georgius,
I agree with your conclusion -- no connection between Dad's sig Saturn and Mars, sig of turned 10th -- but don't understand why you say chart is not radical. 

The chart was cast at the hour of the Sun* and L1 is Mars. Both are of the Fire triplicity. So hour agreerment seems okay to me. Also the Moon will be applying to conjunction with the Sun before it leaves its current sign, so AFAICS it's not VOC. 

* I used the planetary hours calculator at astro-seek.com to check.
--stargeezer

stargeezer wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:38 pm The chart was cast at the hour of the Sun* and L1 is Mars. Both are of the Fire triplicity. So hour agreerment seems okay to me.

You are right, this was a mistake by me.

stargeezer wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:38 pm Also the Moon will be applying to conjunction with the Sun before it leaves its current sign, so AFAICS it's not VOC.

This is your mistake imho.

The Sun is in Cancer already, the Moon in Gemini. So this conjunction will appear after the Moon changes signs.

Thank you Dima Gur for your detailed report! I will think it over tomorrow trying to understand if and how the chart shows the problems with the medicine for the dad.

Georgius wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 9:22 pm

stargeezer wrote: Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:38 pm Also the Moon will be applying to conjunction with the Sun before it leaves its current sign, so AFAICS it's not VOC.

This is your mistake imho.

The Sun is in Cancer already, the Moon in Gemini. So this conjunction will appear after the Moon changes signs.

Based on what I've read, the Moon only needs to apply to an aspect to avoid being VOC. The aspect does not need to perfect before the Moon leaves its current sign.

A planet or luminary is said to be void of course when it is not applying to major aspect with another planet, bearing in mind that to apply means to be within joint moities.

-- Sue Ward's Traditional Horary Course, pg 61

Here's an article from The Astrology Dictionary on VOC, which gives three definitions. The quote from Sue's book matches the third definition. You seem to be using the second one.

https://theastrologydictionary.com/v/void-of-course/

--stargeezer

stargeezer wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 2:42 am Here's an article from The Astrology Dictionary on VOC, which gives three definitions. The quote from Sue's book matches the third definition. You seem to be using the second one.

https://theastrologydictionary.com/v/void-of-course/

Ah yes, I see. Another topic I have to review! Thank you!