Do you mean strength by essential dignity only or inclusive of accidental dignity?

Essential dignity only...

Hi Taurus7,

Some essential dignity for Moon or Venus is good but cannot always be found. A friendly aspect to a major dispositor is important, with or without dignity. IMO, no aspect between Moon-Venus is better than a hard aspect as long as there is balance elsewhere in the chart - I am speaking of whole sign aspects.

Birth charts are important. For example, Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward both have their ascendants and many of their personal planets in Saturn ruled signs (birth data given upthread) therefore Saturn in their wedding chart 7th is less surprising.

Best,
Alex

Some essential dignity for Moon or Venus is good but cannot always be found. A friendly aspect to a major dispositor is important, with or without dignity. IMO, no aspect between Moon-Venus is better than a hard aspect as long as there is balance elsewhere in the chart - I am speaking of whole sign aspects.

OK, thank you Alex.
Just curious, but would you or anyone else by any chance have a wedding chart where the chart looked great but the marriage still went bad? It would be interesting to figure out where that went wrong there - possibly that would be an example of where natal synastry takes precedence over the indications in the wedding chart.

Taurus7 writes

While Venus in Virgo is in its triplicity, it is also in its fall. Does it make sense to delay the marriage so far just on account of Venus?

Tim McGraw and Faith Hill?s wedding chart has Venus in Virgo. They are at 10 years and going strong.

Wedding data: October 6, 1996; 12 PM in Rayville, La., USA
Ascendant 14Sagittarius
http://www.angelfire.com/ga/timmcgrawfa ... dding.html

Faith Hill born September 21, 1967 in Jackson, Mississippi
Tim McGraw born May 1, 1967 in Delhi, Louisiana

The birth dates are unverified and I do not have times, but the wedding date and time is verified.

A few of the wedding chart highlights: Venus trine Jupiter (Venus is Jupiter?s triplicity dispositor); Venus conjunct by sign with L7 (L7 is Mercury exalted in Virgo is Venus? dispositor ? it helps alot) --- Moon (Leo) applying sextile to its dispositor (Sun in Libra) --- Moon also applies to Mars, but on the plus side Mars sextiles its dispositor (Sun in Libra), Moon trine Saturn (no reception but a friendly aspect technically considering Saturn in fall and Moon in Saturn?s detriment) --- Sun square Jupiter and Sun separating from opposition SaturnRx (better that Saturn is Sun?s exalt ruler, the orb is wide, 10 degrees, its is double separating , its still an affliction but much less so?) --- Jupiter double separating square Saturn (again, Saturn is dispositor) ---

There is that waning sextile of the Moon though....I have seen several charts with waning quarter and sextile Moons, all 30 and 40 year happy marriages that had worse afflictions than this chart. In each case one spouse died young (ages 50 to 60) and the other spouse lived 20 to 30 years longer (still living), happy as individuals, but each deeply missing their beloved. I attributed the losses to the afflictions and wonder if it would have been different if the Moon had been waxing.

Overall, the Hill-McGraw is a good wedding chart. Beyond that, I have not looked at the minor dignities yet or the natals -- I posted it for the Venus in Virgo.

Let us know if you find summer good for next summer with Venus in Virgo. Has anyone else seen a chart with Venus in Virgo?