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De La Hoya is the defending champion, so I will give him the ASC.
Presently I'm still studying the chart.
Frawley in his "horary textbook" said:
"The exception to the 1st house versus 7th house rule is in contests where kingship is significant, such as boxing title fights. In a boxing title fight, the sole reason for the contest is that the challenger has the opportunity to depose the champion. Give the champion the 10th house, the challenger the 4th (7th from the 10th).

Maybe you could try this way.
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Goca
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Andrew J: I find the comments regarding the Via Combust as highly interesting, but at present I have not come across a stricture that did not in some way convey information that gave understanding and meaning in judgement of the matter of question, i.e. the Asc in a early or late degree, or the chart not radical.
thanks for sharing your example. i find what you said above quoted make a lot of sense.

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Goca wrote:
In my opinion, Bayern Munich is the winner.
In the 2? Time, Real Madrid have many problem!!!
Upon which astro facts you made this judgement, please explain.
i attribute Bayern to ASC for the play at home, thus Madrid DSC. essentially, ruler of Venus is in detriment, so -5; ruler of Aries, Mars is in Aquarius, but perigrin, -5, both significator +4 accidentally. but the Moon, in the 1st, which gives better hopes for Bayern is going to its sign of fall before the perfection of trine to POF, this might indicate the reverse situation of the hopes. I see Madrid wins. best

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More rightly home in a discussion on strictures but on http://www.astronor.com/hours.htm you may find the following notes;

12) Nothing can be performed without the assistance of the lord of the hour. If there is no relation between the lord of the hour and the sign ascending or its lord, the chart shows something out of tune and not working properly. It is like striking a dumb note on the celestial instrument. The querent may not have had a serious intention of proposing the question. According to the ancient stricture, the astrologer is more liable to plunge himself into difficulties and should examine whether the querent has the correct reasons for asking the question. An irregularity is in existence and the rules are not being followed. There could be a disturbing circumstance and the matter leads to unhappiness or unacceptance.

In case of the Ascendant changing sign I often found the the querent was stood in the doorway and had only just arrived or was about to leave at the moment the question ws asked. Example: http://www.astronor.com/horary-physio.htm
http://www.astronor.com/saturn.htm

And now back to the Sports!
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Nipoleon,
Look to see which teams ruler is the best dignified.
Look to see where the Part of Fortune is and which team does it favor.
The Part of Fortune in one teams 1st or 5th is very good.
If a teams ruler is in mutual reception it indicates that team will suffer bad fortune at the beginning then come back to win.
Your advices were excelent. For this match I got ASC=15Li26. I asign ASC and DSC upon team's color kit. Because Liverpool had red sport kit I asigned them to DSC (Aries) and Barcelona to ASC(yellow, Manly P. Hall, http://koti.mbnet.fi/neptunia/quotes/clzodiac.htm )
It seams everything you said fit in this chart!

Ve is better dignified (accidental) Ve=17, Ma=7

POF in 5 house of Barcelona and exalt Ve!

Ve in mutual reception with Su, Barcelona was 0 in first half of match, but in second half thay were much better and score really nice goal!
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Goca
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[quote="Goca"][quote]
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Bayern vs Real Madrid 7 Mar2007 8:45 GMT+1 11e35 48n08 Munich
Liverpool vs Barcelona 6 Mar 2007 8:45 GMT 3W 53n25 Liverpool[/quote]

Sorry Goca, i use 20 45 GMT=> ASC=27?49'Libra; MC=05?38'Leo!!!
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Mario
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Siderum, sorry, it was my fault, I forgot to put "pm", Me rx...
Charts were similar, but first one, Liverpool/Barcelona has POF's ansticion right on ASC, and in conjuct with Moon, Ve in 7, mutual reception Ve/Su and MC on Castor, unfortunate fix star. Result Barcelona wins but that was "not enought" to next leg.
Second one, has Moon in 1st house not so close to ASC, POF's ansticion is not close ASC too, Ve is in 7 house in mutual reception with Su, but ASC and Su are in same degree as nodes (crisis) and with Castor on MC Real could not win (I asign Real to ASC=Li because of their white sport kit).
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