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Angularity and 'Belonging' to a House

1 by Gunhilde
Hi folks,

I've a chart in front of me with Jupiter as a significator, ruler of the 7th, but placed three degrees below the angle, in the 6th.

I know that Lilly normally gave an orb of 5 degrees for cusps, where the planet would be considered in the next house *down* (going counterclockwise), so a planet in the first on the cusp of the second could be considered to 'belong' to the second as well; but does this apply in reverse? Do I consider this Jupiter to still be angular with accidental dignity and 'belonging' to the 7th, or does the fact that it is three degrees into the 6th automatically render it cadent and wrest it of its angular power?

Thanks a bunch. :)
AG
Last edited by Gunhilde on Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

4 by Tom
The so-called "five-degree rule" is usually expressed this way: the house begins five degrees before the cusp. The cusp is the most sensitive point in the house. So a planet three degrees below the DSC, according to this rule, is in the 7th not the sixth. It doesn't act "as though" it were in the 7th, It is in the 7th.

The rationale is this: the word "cusp" does not mean "beginning." It is where pressure is brought to bear. Think of a sword. The tip of the sword is where the energy is concentrated. The beginning of the sword is at the handle. OR this, the most important place in your home is not the doorway.

Not all astrologers in the past bought into this. The source is Ptolemy who didn't exactly say this either. Morin is the only astrologer I know of that used the concept of orbs when a planet was close to a cusp (there are likely others that I don't know of). So in your case, Morin would say Jupiter is in the 6th, but he affects the 7th because his orb or moiety is greater than 3 degrees.

In short there is no definitve rule as there is so much disagreement with the concept. I think the five-degree rule works, so I use it. I recall a conversation with Sue Toohey where she said she really didn't think the five-degreer ule held up philosophically, but she didn't want to stop using it because it seemed to work.

The trick is to make a decision and stick with it.

Tom

5 by Tara
I use the 5 degree rule as well but recently had a horary where querent was rep. by Mercury Rx 3 degrees below the horizon in the 6th and I instinctively felt it was a 6th house Mercury and sure enough the querent was in poor health which was an important factor in the question. Could have been affected by its Rx condition I suppose.

As Lily himself advised, use the rules judiciously rather than slavishly.

6 by Tom
Hi Tara,

This might be an instructive chart. Can you post the data? What did Mercury rule in this chart? Lilly said combine discretion with art and this chart might be a good example of how to do that.

Tom
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