When I was on my way to enter the coupons on the most recent election I realized that the Moon in Aries might appreciate the entry coming from a high place. There is a steep hill where I live, amost a kilometre long, with one commisioner at the top, another at the bottom. Unfortunately, there was not time to reach the commisioner at the top so I ended up at a rather Saturnian store instead. It felt wrong. I think these factors may be added to the design - if you are out looking for a lucky streak and can spot them.

As for scratch tickets - give it a try when the lord of the hour is exalted in the ascendant and see if that enchances your fortune. Ie. Cancer rising in the hour of Jupiter. My conception tells me that this enchances the competitive edge of the querent.

Andrew, I've been re-reading your posts... for clarification, are you susggesting that the election be compatible with the Draw time?

as in say the moment of the draw the ascendent is Cancer, so the moment of purchase should have Moon in good aspect? or?

I'm not quite certain I follow your discussion there, trying to think this through.

I think you are right about looking at the draw chart and see how you can make the purchase time be compatable with the draw time. that makes sense, but then should also be good with your chart?

the too electional charts I have looked at with big wins, the first one has ruler of 5th, moon, in fifth, conj ruler of 3rd, Venus. In fact 5th house is packed. and third house has Saturn on cusp and Jupiter within, she won a car on slots, Jupiter rules 10th cusp and 1st. Saturn 11 and 12. this chart is in Joann Hampar's book on elections. she looks at things modernly so I read it a bit different than she, but to me I see lord of 1 adn 10 in 3rd, lady of 3 and 8 in 5th and Lady of 5th in fifth.

second one (same book) shows the NN on the ascendent, 12 Leo 33,
Venus in First, rules 3 and 10 here. ruler of 5th is jupiter and is on MC exactly, ruler of second is mercury, and is in 3rd... I found it intersting both charts had a 3rd house connection? in this case it is a sagitarius person who was on vacation when gambling won over 7,000.00 US dollars on slot machines. Oh and transiting sun is on the 3rd house cusp as well, rules this chart. mutual reception between sun and venus.
Moon in Aries in ninth, square NN, but will trine Venus in a few hours. Moon also in opposition to our Mercury here? this chart is also from Joann's book. Page 77.

I'm trying to see if I can't find more of these types of charts.
I wonder why 3rd house was important in both these charts, for the first with car being prize I can understand, the second? both were slot machines? I wonder if that has a role?

Granny

ps, is it proper to post the data from these charts? they are from the book Im discussing. is so i'm happy to post time, date location of charts for discussion purposes, if not will not of course. Granny

Hi Granny,
Your questions and observations intrigue me. But first, I have not been comparing the elections chart with the moment of the draw, but rather with the radix of the native, which in this case has been myself.

I cannot outrule that the moment of the draw is important, although I have not come up with anything conclusive in this direction, yet. However, it will be natural to carry the discussion in this direction as we go along. I will be posting an election on Thursday which will introduce some new ideas and then we will see how that goes along, but I want to get the chart in place first. ( In any case remember, missing is easy - hitting is hard! )

It is my aim to try to establish a case for the lord of the hour and it's relationship with the radical acendant and it's lord - but even here I will want to do some exploring by giving priority to the relationship between the lord of the hour and i.e. the 5th house and it's lord - in relationship to the quest of speculation. But again this lies further out into our exploration.

If the lord of the hour is exalted in the ascendant, it is my opinion that this fortifies any venture of competition, or maybe speculation. I have spent several years keeping track of the weekly time pockets that provide this opportunity. Cancer rising in the hour of Jupiter is a natural favourite, but it could equally include Libra rising in the hour of Saturn, Pisces rising in the hour of Venus, etc. I am extremely fascinated with the relationship that the lord of the hour forms with the radical ascendant and it's lord. I do believe this is a key which has been much overlooked in modern astrology. It is important to know when the relevant merchant is in 'office', so to speak. There is no point in knocking at the butcher's door if what you want is really a loaf of bread. Or, do you visit the undertaker (Saturn) if you are contemplating having a baby?

Now, you mention something about the 3rd house. This interests me and I have been dabbling into the same questions. To succeed in gambling we have been told to fortify the ascendant (the querent) , the 5th house (game & play), the 2nd house (my money) and the 8th (other peoples' monies). At the same time a fortified 10th house is always an advantage, and the 11th house or it's lord, which remains one of my personal favourites. However, when it comes to winning say the lottery, this obviously involves fortune in the draw of either numbers or a ticket, which certainly involves the 3rd house. Or could it be that winning the lotto is so far fetched that it actually could involve searching for a hidden treasure, represented by the fourth house. After all, perceiving the winning line of a lotto draw is about as far away from an illuminated perception of the self as you can get. I might add to the muddle, because although I never would consider fortifying the 12th house (Ha-ha! What on Earth would be the point of that!!!?), I did in many settings involving the stock market consider that luck in this department was often based upon the cooperation of the elements (or collective..whatever...) and represented by the 12th.

Now the election chart of March 1. shows an angular Mars, which is on the cusp of the descendant, and which accidentally (Morinus) is ruler of the 5th house. Remember - this chart had lots of things going for it, but it certainly paid up!

OK, so back to the beginning... I am not essentially suggesting that the election has to be based upon an agreement with the chart of the draw, rather with the radix of the native who makes the entry. I am also suggesting that any week has it's favourable season, which is variable and in consistance with the annual calendar, i.e, the auspiscious intervals vary from week to week - as do the relationship and time windows provided by the realtionship between the lord of the hour and the radical ascendant or it's lord. It is my suspision that the money follows the people, the natives or time windows - and not the numbers in particular. With that I mean it seems to be working at the wrong end of the stick if to postulate the numbers to be picked out of a hat at any given point in time. I am much more interested in observing a law of coincidence - if anything like this should exist.

There are different kinds of speculative ventures. Scratch tickets and slot-machines (instincively I hate the latter) all happens there and then (except if you take your scratch ticket home with you to scratch it at a favourable moment - then you have to decide whether the time of purchase was important or the moment of uncovering - I would prefer the first).

Now although I hit a golden run during a stock market crash in 1997 I never won anything significant in a lottery prior to the example provided based upon the election issued for March 1. I guess my idea is that if astrology is supposed to have anything about it, then astrologers are supposed to have an advantage in matters of this concern - and then it will be worth unravelling. In which case there should go too long a time before before another evidential case andwin turns up. I hope you continue to show interest in the elections which, by the way, are posted prior to the draw.

Regards
Andrew

I'm very interested in the election.

I noted that my natal Jupiter is in 5th house and in own sign, but actual ruler of my fifth is Saturn in 4th in Aquarius... if you are right about 4th being good for for lotto numbers (I know you were joking a bit) then saturn in his temple in the fourth in his own sign ought to be some help! I would think? though maybe it just means I should invest in oil and other hidden treasure...

I actually think that the few weeks leading up to my solar return look like decent opportunities (next couple of weeks, my natal day is 13 april) but must continue trying to deduce what the proper time is for these purchases. my local lotto person is open 24 hours as she owns a donut store... =) usually I just purchase the tickets when I buy a cup of coffee, but ... I see no reason why I can't align it with a proper time?

Granny

Let us know if you notice any change in the coffee

This week I chose to register my lotto entry for the draw on Saturday March 31. at time 20.10 LST (18.10 GMT), March 28. 2007, Asker 59N50, 10E26. http://www.astronor.com/ENTRY7.GIF

This is done on the day of Mercury in the hour of the Sun with Libra in the ascendant. There is no direct relationship between the lord of the hour and the radical ascendant or it's ruler, however, I put the Sun in an opposition aspect to the ascendant, which should qualify, and the Moon is in an exact square with the lady of the ascendant, who is Venus, and in sextile with the ascendant.

The winning election from March 1. had the Moon at 13LE05, which played to my natal Sun at 13LE21. This time I try to copy that position by letting the Moon be at 13LE03, although the make-up of this chart is quite different. Both the Moon and the position of Venus 13TA02 will play onto my radix Sun. The Moon applies to the body of Saturn who is ruler of the 5th and is exalted in the ascendant, and trine Jupiter in the 3rd (of tickets and numbers). I let the cusp of the 5th house be 27 Aquarius because it is the position of my natal Moon at 27AQ56. Pluto in the 3rd house also casts his sextile to the cusp of the 5th. My radix MC at 27LE37 is on the cusp of the 11th in the election chart.

The ascendant of the election is 11LI21. I said in a previous post that I would try something different this time round, so I entered the coupon a little early to 1) catch the opposition between the Sun (lord of hour) and the ascendant, and 2) by directing the ascendant by a degree a day the ascendant will come to 14 Libra on the eve of the draw and this is conjunct the antiscia of Uranus and the north node that are located in the 5th house of the election. I am hoping that this direction may add a little extra excitement to the chart or rather that winning 'spark'. Uranus and the north node in the 5th are trine the MC. Fortuna at 6GE00 is on the cusp of my radix 8th at 5GE45, and that is about it. We'll see if it works out.

One small win
Last weeks entry gave no joy on Saturday, but a random coupon entered for the Viking Lotto draw of Wednesday April 4. picked up a 5th prize and slightly better than return of money. Odds were 1:53. I consider this as interesting but neither impressive or convincing because the most outstanding feature of last weeks chart was the Moon within minutes of it's position in the election chart of March 1. (that went off with a 3rd prize of over NOK kr. 7200,- or almost GP ? 700,-) and with closeness to my natal Sun at 13LE21. What might be considered as interesting was that entering into the Viking Lotto for Wednesday was no pre-planned act on my part. So coincidence got to adding a touch.

I made the election for next weeks draw (to be held on Saturday April 7.) at time 10.38 LST (08.38 GMT), April 2. 2007, Asker, Norway 59N50 10E26 http://www.astronor.com/ENTRY8.GIF

I actually made a mistake here which could be rather interesting to follow because I shot off down to the bookie trying to catch the hour of Jupiter with Cancer rising. When I got back and checked the chart it proved to be the hour of Mars. Mars rules the ascendant by triplicity and is in his own terms and culiminating on the Midheaven. I like it when coincidences or mistakes give a aiding hand - and provide a case still worth watching.

The ascendant is in 14CN46, in the degree of Jupiter's exaltation and exact trine the North Node in the 10th at 14PI50. The lady of the ascendant, the Moon, is 8LI20 in the 5th house in her own face and the full moon lies only hours ahead. The Sun is 12AR14 in the fortunate 11th house in his exaltation, triplicity and face. He is closing in on a trine to my natal Sun at 13LE21. My natal Moon is at 27AQ56 which agrees with the location of lord of the hour, Mars, at 26AQ56 and the MC at 28AQ05.

We'll see how this works out. My plan is to check out how entries work in the hour of Jupiter with Cancer rising (I missed on that this time). The step after that will be repeating an entry in the hour of Jupiter with the sign of my natal Sun on the ascendant. This is another feature found in the successful election of March 1. Mars happens to be the ruler of my natal asc. and it will be interesting to see whether placing this planet on an angle increases my ability to make a strike.

Excited!
An election occured that seemed so auspiscious, it has to be entered here for our examination. http://www.astronor.com/ENTRY9.GIF At this moment I have entered 19 single lines for the total amount of NOK kr. 72,- or GP ? 6.50,- for the Viking Lotto draw of Wednesday April 11.

The entry is made on the day of Jupiter and in the hour of Jupiter with Jupiter stationary dignified in his own sign. The Ascendant is 29LE27, which reflects a second condition sought for, as expressed in my previous posting - the sign of my natal Sun placed upon the radical ascendant. The warming powers of Jupiter and Leo strike me as compatable - but if there were to be any doubt concerning the radicality of the mixture, notice that the chart is shown radical by the the lord of the hour and lord of the radical ascendant, the Sun, in the same triplicity and they apply to each other by trine. The Sun at 15AR23, who is exalted, in his own triplicity and face, will complete the Grand Trine with Saturn and Jupiter, first by trine to Saturn, who is the lord of the 5th and in the domicile and triplicity of the Sun, secondly by translating the trine of Saturn back to Jupiter, who in his case is the lord of the hour and in the triplicity of the Sun.

The ascendant is conjunct the fixed star Regulus, said to have the powers of Mars. The ascendant is in both face and terms of Mars. Mars gathers thus many dignities in the ascendant and in the election chart I succeed in making Mars angular by his placement on the descendant. Mars is 29AQ22 and in his own terms at the end of the Aquarius. Mars is also the ruler of my own natal Scorpio ascendant, so another sought for criteria as expressed in a previous posting, is in place. The angularity of Mars becomes highly relevant to the question of speculation and gaming, because Mars rules the Capricorn cusp on the 5th by exaltation.

The Moon is 16SC06 and angular on the cusp of the 4th house. She makes an exact trine to Uranus at 16PI24, who is on the cusp of the 8th.
The Midheaven is 13TA13, which is square my natal Sun at 13LE21.

I don?t understand your excitement. The chart seems pretty so-so to me.

The last degree of Leo rising: something old is fading away, a time has passed, confusion, uncertainty.

In elections we are always told to look to the Moon. Moon in fall has come out of VoC and is applying square Saturn in detriment. Saturn in 12th still causes interpretive problems for me ? is it an undesirable position, or not so bad because it?s cadent and Saturn is weakened when it comes to doing the bad stuff? But ? with Whole-Sign houses it?s a powerful first-house debilitated Saturn with a very late Asc., and I have a feeling the Whole-Sign signal is the correct one.

SR Jupiter is sitting there, getting ready to go back over old territory. He doesn?t give the impression of whole-heartedly wanting to shower folks with blessings. (Sitting there SD could be different.) It feels like we?ve caught him at an awkward time. This is what Ibn Ezra says about an SR planet: ?The star, which is about to assume a retrograde motion, is like a man bewildered and trembling at the misfortunes which will befall him?.

The Sun's Grand Trine with the SR Jupiter and Saturn in detriment seems to have lost enough shine to limit its benefits. And perhaps we can add the fact that Jupiter is beneath the earth in a diurnal chart, another possible dampening affect.

But I wish you lots of luck anyway! And I could be wrong.

The last degree of Leo with the presence of Regulus is more like a firework finish than a 'fading out' to me. Jupiter balances Saturn. Jupiter is dignified in own sign. The day and hour of Jupiter is supposively fortunate for speculation and gaming. I wonder whether the station of the planet will create something outside the ordinary. The trine between the Sun and Jupiter is probably considered one of the most fortunate aspects formed in astrology (in a general sense) but Jupiter will always be retrograde when trine the Sun. There are certainly issues that may be up for discussion.

Moon is in its fall but in a sign involving risk, extreme change and transformation and Scorpio is a sign of her own powers, so she is not entirely without merit her. She applies to its dexter square to Saturn (lord of 5th) through signs of long ascension. Both Leo and Scorpio are violent signs - or of considerable magnitude. Scorpio occasionally associated with either the uncovering of hidden treasure or release of wealth and power. i am certainly looking for that surgeons edge here.

Yes, you make a good point about Saturn in the 12th house! I never knew whether I prefered Saturn angular of cadent. However, the 12th house for me is things larger than life, matters of chance, the forces of weather and wind, and of collective psychology. Secret enemies or forces of an unknown force: I had clients experience trees blow over and hit their cars under influences of the 12th house, in the same manner that other clients experienced their cases and applications getting lost in bureaucratic systems. In the same sence it can be useful to stack these forces in the right direction when playing with matters of chance or making sure that the tides are drifting in the right direction.

Of course I know there is no real reason to get excited. But loosing is easy and winning is hard - and this is after all a game. And I am thoroughly enjoying examining the principles of astrology. How do we put it together and make it work? That is the question. Thank you for your great discussion!

Andrew

Of course I know there is no real reason to get excited. But loosing is easy and winning is hard - and this is after all a game. And I am thoroughly enjoying examining the principles of astrology.

You know what? Get excited! Thanks for reminding me to hold on to the fun of it all. I also didn?t acknowledge that much of your enthusiasm came from connections the chart makes to your natal chart. You weren?t commenting only on the electional cart.

The trine between the Sun and Jupiter is probably considered one of the most fortunate aspects formed in astrology (in a general sense) but Jupiter will always be retrograde when trine the Sun.

I hadn?t thought of that. At the time they entered within orb of trine on March 28 Jupiter had already slowed down to a daily motion of only 2 minutes. Many of us would check our lists of good and bad and note that as undesirable, yet Jupiter at home in Sagittarius was heading toward a trine with an exalted Sun.

About Jupiter SR in his own home sign: I didn?t give that any thought before. It has got to be a better experience for a planet than stationing in detriment, fall or peregrine. Might not be so negative.


I?m getting more excited, but I still can?t get excited about the last degree of Leo rising, possibly because I haven?t warmed up to fixed stars yet ? or rather, I?m not sure how to use them and whether they are generally used correctly. Regulus isn?t a star to sneeze at (my impression) and the exalted Sun as Asc. ruler could maybe give Leo a little more staying power. I find the ?firework finish ? idea very appealing (a good example of fun astrology), but my lack of experience with the fixed stars gets in the way.

Dignified Venus as ruler of 10th and placed in the 10th looks good as a general indication of success. Mercury (ruler of 2nd and 11th) may rack up a rotten score in Pisces, but it?s separating from an aspect with its domicile ruler and applying sextile to Venus, its exaltation and [Dorothean] triplicity ruler. In his article 'On Matter and Form in Astrology' Rob Hand writes ?We can say in general that if a debilitated planet makes an aspect to a dignified ruler, the debility is cancelled. This is a medieval doctrine, although seldom recognized now.?[1] Mercury separating from Jupiter in Sagittarius and applying to Venus in Taurus is looking good. I wish my 2nd house ruler were sitting so pretty.


1] http://www.robhand.com/Matter&FormArticle.htm

In my experience astrology can be pure magic - but that being said I don't mind sorting out the things that do and do not quite work out until the magic appears. I never thought astrology was supposed to be easy or a short cut and I abhored any commercial agent pretending the truth to be elsewise.

Andrew J. Bevan

Am I correct that Saturn rejoices in the twelfth house? so doesn't he belong there is anywhere? okay, just a thought.

non-sequitor...
I keep thinking I should be a bit more... something today as sun, jupiter and saturn in lovely Grand trine, sun aligned with my desc. SAturn conj my natal moon and jupiter on 3rd house cusp all seem like decent alignments , yet I'm very blahhh, even with a venus uranus alignment today... sigh...

Granny