I asked this question on April 20th at 1.41pm - Liverpool, England. I'm still in the early stages of learning horary - I have realised this in the process of my trying to reach a judgement myself! The chart has 22 Leo on the ascendant, the Sun at 0 degrees Taurus and the Moon at 12 degrees Gemini.


My partner and myself are musicians and write/sing/record our own material. We have done so for a while on a kind of on and off basis whilst our 'day jobs' took priority and did it as a kind of hobby. I recently gave up my job through stress and have been getting back into writing again. We would very much like to be successful ie - have: something published/recognition/make something of a living out of it. I used to sing professionally and we did have a measure of success with our writing in the early days of our venture when we had a lot more time to spend on it.

Looking at the chart, the Sun ruling me trines the ascendant, is in the 9th house (publishing) and therefore in its joy. However, the Moon is separating from a conjunction with Venus I have taken Venus as ruler of the 3rd (writing) as a significator and it also rules 10th (success). So one of my significators is moving away from the two things I'm asking about - writing and success!

The Sun is also applying to conjunct the MC but the only aspect it makes is to trine the ascendant. There are no applying aspects between the Sun, Moon or Venus so I would think this is a 'No' answer but the Sun is angular as are Moon/Venus and therefore strong - so I'm confused. The Moon applies to sextile Mercury in Aries and I think there could have been a translation of light from Mercury to the Sun but the Sun is just out of sign at 0 degrees Taurus!

A few other things, Saturn is also in its joy in the 12th, (don't know if this is relevant) the Part of Fortune is in the 3rd and Venus trines it which again, initially looks good for success with the writing. I wasn't sure also if I should include the 5th house as this is a creative venture. The Moon is also applying to square the North Node in the 8th not sure if this is relevant

Looks like I will have to go back to a 'day job' and give up my dreams! I've just applied for a job as a learning mentor so maybe I will get this and that's why the Moon is moving away from Venus. I'd be very grateful if some of the experts could have a look at this for me and also show me where I'm going wrong in my judgement if I am doing.

Many thanks and regards
Mia

Mia---

Apparently your horary seems 10th house issue of achieving success/perferment/promotion but for that to happen you must have applied. Like applying for job or recognition at music company. Applying to a publisher for publishing your piece of work. Since as far as i understand this has not been done its more properly an 11th house issue

If a Man shall have the thing hoped for (CA p.458)

Behold if there be any good aspect between the Lord of the ascendant and the 11th, or reception or translation of light, or that the Lord of of the 11th in the ascendant: all or anyof these gives hopes of obtaining the same. If there be none of those, behold Moon, and if she be not qualified with the Lord of the 11th, aforesaid judge the contrary

Secondly you have used the word WE. You are represented by Ascendant and your partner by 7th house. WOrking together of both of you as a couple is WORKING AS MARRIED COUPLE (10TH house issue--reference Ayub Tajee--Ramoozee Sawal)

However, i would calculate from the perspective of you working alone. You can check at other options of Working him alone and WOrking as couple.

YOU-----

Saturn conjunct Ascendant---Worries and delays

LOrd of 11th (Mercury) is applying to Lord of Ascendant (Sun) but Mercury (hope) is under the Sun beams. Secondly the aspect is not within the moiety of orbs.

Your hopes are under the Sun beams

Moon is applying sextile to Mercury. But still Mercury is under the Sun beams.

Result: Hopes may be realized but with danger of obstruction from Saturn ( Lord of 7th) and Sun (personal decisions)


I hope it helps.

Yes STJ

It has helped as it has made me realise that I have to be careful as to which house I assign my questions in future. As it is something 'wished/hoped for, it is more an 11th house issue. Under the Sunbeams is 'slightly weakened'? -So still possibility of positive outcome? Can you explain why you think Saturn could obstruct perfection? What about it being in its 'Joy' in the 12th? And finally, do you use the Part of Fortune? Sorry to ask so many questions but it's all in my learning process.

Many thanks
Mia

Mia---

Yes, Saturn is in its house of joy in 12th house but frankly i have seen it doing so much mischief in 12th house (Natal Work) that i have started calling it as house of mischief for Saturn, especially if it rules 7th house . Maybe Cadency (apparent inability) is required for Saturn to do its naughty work.

Saturn in your case is within 5 degrees of Ascendant. So, it is in First House. In matters of hope i would see it as worries and delays.


Under the Sun beams is slightly weakened. But Mercury is appllying. This application is not within the moiety of its orbs.

Moon is applying to Mercury. But

It was one positive and one negative testimony from above.

So, keeping in view of Saturn in first. I thought it as Still more time needed to pursue the dreams. Sun is in Taurus, new beginnings but it has left Aries in which it was exalted.

Yes, i do use POF. It is in 3rd house and disposed off by Peregrine Venus (L10) in 10th.

Anyway, Luminaries above the earth are thing positive. But maybe you people need time to arrange the finances to work for your dreams.

I still havent seen from His and We perspective. You still have to see other indications.

P.S I havent considered the Chart as whole. Time constraints right now.

Thanks for the extra comments and insight - very much appreciated and it means I learn more too. I realise you have time constraints and stuff so again, thanks for your input.

Best wishes
Mia

Hi STJ

Just one more thing - hope you don't mind. What did you mean by 'POF disposed of by peregrine Venus? I understand that peregrine means weakened or has no power I think! I still have to understand the rules determining this. It's sounds as if you mean that the POF loses its beneficial effect because Venus is weak?

Again - Many thanks
Mia

Mia---

My horary self study has just entered the third month. I have to read some good article to properly understand and apply the concept of Dispositors. But i have done some speculations (acute imagination) . Here is my understanding.

If a planet is in any house/sign (which is not his own) he/she gives permission to the ruler of that sign to dispose or take his effect to wherever he is residing. Now ruler ship is of three types (basically the dignities are 5. House, Exaltation and Triplicity ruler. Wherever these rulers go they can dispose the affairs.

I will give an example. You visit your friend and stay at their house.

So, you as a planet are residing at that house.

Now, the father of the friend is house ruler. Mother of that house is exaltation ruler and your friend is triplicity ruler. By visiting their home you have given them a right that they can talk about you,wherever they go (or wherever they work).

If you happen to sing a song at their home (cause of good voice and world at large doesnt know about your talent). It may happen that Father of the friend turns out to be a lawyer. He can talk about your talent among his lawyer friends. The mother may happen to be a member of an NGO. SHe can talk about your talent with her colleagues. The scenario looks good.

WHat if the father of your friend happens to be a criminal (notorious one) he can only talk about your talent among his malicious circle. So, the consequences

Peregrine planet is an aimless wanderer (he can only talk about you at a coffe shop).

A malefic without essential dignities is a criminal.

POF in a chart is where you have a Trunk full of valuables. It was your third house of the figure. And sign Libra (Air sign). Maybe you have talent of balancing the notes or differentiation of discords in a harmony. POF in third house shows that it best manifests in a familiar environment. However, Venus is peregrine. So talent but not fully used cause of circumstances.

Sorry for writing aimlessly. I am peregrine

Hello 'peregrine' STJ

I think you're doing amazingly well having only studied horary for 3 months! Must be a natural - I think some are more than others. Great analogy - the planet 'staying in the friend's house' with all the various relatives who have their parts to play in the drama.



You were absolutely so right when you described my particular talent (I was so impressed by the accuracy your comments here!) as 'balancing notes or differentiation of discords in a harmony'. I am known for my ability with harmony and was often called upon to do studio session work/backing vocals because I do it naturally - three part harmonies by ear (great for recording) and most importantly, I love doing this. When we record our stuff, I get the most pleasure out of building up harmonies along with the main melody line - I'm good with melody too. As my partner says, I have a great ear and consider myself so lucky to have been born with this gift.

Do you know if a horary reading is permanent and unalterable or could the outcome alter with circumstances? I'm probably asking too much of you aren't I STJ - I'm forgetting you're a student. Do any of the astrologers on here have any thoughts/insight on this? I'll see if I can find anything myself too.
What I'm getting from your reading is that to an extent, it's in my hands and my own attitude could be holding me back - I would agree with this. I do wax and wane regarding my enthusiasm and self belief (Sun in Cancer in 12th house, Leo rising - wants to be out there but keeps running back into the 12th house and REALLY can't decide what to do about the whole thing- Moon in Libra!)

Well STJ, I'm going to carry on with it anyway even though sometimes as I say, I'm full of self doubt and negativity. Who knows what may or may not come about but if I don't try and don't keep going I'll never know.

Again, thanks for your helpful and very insightful comments
Best wishes
Mia

Hi Mia----

My personal opinion is that horary question and their answers are related to circumstances present at the time which prompt the Querent to ask the question.



Therefore, we discourage people to ask these sort of questions:-

-Will I EVER marry?

-Will I EVER conceive?

-Will I EVER succede?

Some things are best judged through Natal Chart. Excitement of horary question and its answer is great and is like a snack but some are old timers and love the cozy feeling of a proper family meal and prayers (reading of potentials on a long term basis). Horary concentrates on a single question and its asnwers are much detailed. However, life is complex and so too are Natal readings. As far as your birth chart is concerned. You have Fixed Ascendant and its lord is trapped in 12th house in a cardinal sign. See which planet receives the 12th house Sun. If the receiving planet is benefic . If the receiving planet is at an angle (MC, ASC, DSC, IC. You dont need to worry. However, i like it to be recieved by a planet at MC, or 11th. If the Sun and the planet who receives it are in any of the traditional aspect. . See where Moon (she gives reception to Sun in her house). See jupiter (he gives Sun reception in his exaltation).


As regard to timing Fixed---Fixed rule gives us years. Maximum degrees are 30. So, the asnwer could not be more than 30 years (which is very rare). 30 months (acceptable ) and 30 weeks (7 months---usual).

I have solved few love horaries in this forum. You can see that the questions asked were time/place and person bound.

Lets see what other members have to say regarding validity of a chart for a time for a similar sort of question.

Regards


STJ

P.s I also have Leo Ascendant but Pisces Sun.

Hi STJ

More food for thought ! Can I ask (again!) when you said, 'see what planet receives 12th house sun' did you mean a planet that the sun is applying to in aspect?

Many thanks
Mia

Hi Mia!---

You said that Lord of ascendant i.e Sun (Natal) is in Cancer 12th house.

It means that Sun is trapped in 12th house.

Sun is in Cancer. Cancer is house of Moon and is also Exaltation sign of Jupiter.

This means that Sun is received by Moon in her Sign and Sun is received by Jupiter in his exaltation sign. Fine

In order to release the lonely prisoner i.e Sun. See where are the Moon (Wife of Jail Warden) and Jupiter (Jail Warden) in the Natal chart?

and See if Sun is making some aspect with either of these two. (aspect is absolute necessity--dont worry even a aquare is welcome )

The absolutely fine scenario would be Moon and Jupiter or any one of these, at a good place of chart and in aspect with Sun.

The same situation like yours, regarding natal chart of George Bush has been analysed by Robert Hand in an interview. The interviewer was Garry Philipson and the link is

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/rhand.html


So, when are you running for presidency?


STJ

Hi STJ

Hey, I'll let you know when I decide to go for it ! Thanks for posting the Robert Hand interview - I had seen the similarities between Bush's chart and mine previously and wondered but the Hand interview shows the differences too. Bush's Moon in Libra conjuncts Jupiter and squares his Sun and so he has the contact you mentioned. My Moon in Libra conjuncts Neptune and it doesn't aspect the Sun so a whole different ball game eh. I don't have that same fixidity that Bush has and always consider the 'other' sometimes to my own detriment I'm sure. I could never, ever be as arrogant as the man so we differ here also.

As far as the 12th house Sun in my chart - I think there's a semi-sextile between Sun and Jupiter (Sun 5. 47 Cancer and Jupiter 3.04 Leo conjunct Ascendant) and the only other thing is Sun trine Saturn in 5th which probably isn't the best aspect. However Saturn is exactly conjunct the Part of Fortune which maybe helps. I have the same MC as Bush too which Hand also discusses and which I'm going to read again to understand it a little better. You never know, maybe in my next life...

Very best wishes
Mia