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STOP PRESS!!!

OK I've noticed something which makes me think again..

Utd will loose to AC Milan in a close match. (1-2)
Liverpool will draw with Chelsea. (2-2)

I'll try again tomorrow.

These may represent the overall final results of the Ties.

It's a bit "over the shop" but heh

H.

Yikkes
Thanks for your thorough readings. On the other hand Ficina's approach seems much simpler, compared to reading a Horary chart.
Looking at tonight's and tomorrow night's event charts, I see that Mars(AC ruler) is better off than Venus(DC ruler) and whoever gets the AC will win(it'll be tough for both sides). Although the prospect of Liverpool beating Chelsea pleases me very much, I can't help hoping that Man U will somehow grab the ASC tomorrow.

Sorry if I'm being a bit Mercury in Pisces here but I thought an Event Chart was just a Horary of the Kick Off time.

C'est pas?!

Yes the Horary is way to involved but I think there is a "points" system which I need to learn.

Points for key things in the chart.

Gem my feeling is that once you've crack it, that's not cracked, you will be able to predict wins, scores, players, 110 percent.

Just don't blink till you've got there.

H.

PS I'm going to do the Utd chart again.

I've transfered my dosh to an online betting firm.

Won't catch the Games tonight though.

I'll come back with what my bets would be before K.O.

I don't know if their reputable or not?!

G.U.Y. Dosh, Bros who work closely with

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OK.

Please excuse the wandering of the last few posts.

I've tried to pull it all together and allocate points.

Deb's system (without speeds, can't find them just now)

Liverpool + 7 Chelsea + 8

I'll try to check the speeds in a minute.

Hamey's 2007 System (I've only tried to compliment Deb's)

Liverpool + 10 Chelsea + 4

Totally revolutionary thinking system (also complimenting the above)

Liverpool + 4 Chelsea + 5

So the totals are, just a mintue 4 + 5 =

Liverpool +21 Chelsea +17


Now it's going to be a hard low scoring game.

So that suggest the scoreline will be probably a draw.

0-0, (1-1),

Now I check the odds.

0-0 at 11/2
1-1 at 5/1

probably worth a tenner on both.

Now you know why I'm Mr Yikkes.

H.

PS I'd like to add a cavete, if I could spell it I would.

Ficina says Moon in 1st is good and Liverpool have that. I've scored that as worth +2.

If it was +4 it would take Liverpool to 23+ and close to a 1 goal win.

I'll check the speeds now.

Where do I find them?????

STOP THE STOPPED PRESS

Speed Mars fast +2 to Chelsea
Moon slowish -1 to Liverpool
Venus average

Final scores

Liverpool 20+ Chelsea 18+ (edit +19)

Final judgement is a Tight Draw tonight.

Again my cavet is that I might psychically have pulled up a chart for the Tie.

So that would mean penalites and I'd say again it is incredibly hard to call.

In fact I couldn't becasue there are 2 factors that I have factored in that I am not sure how strong they will play out.

I suppose with the POF close to Mars it means Chelsea WIN thru.

(edit I hope the POF doesn't have a very very strong effect. I gave it +5. It definately favours Chelsea. )

If we are talking about betting then probably it is not a great game to make any money on.

I'd probably not bet anything.

It's just too close.

I trust COP OUT is not ringing around England as you read this.

9 mins to kick off.

Did it.

START THE PRESS !!

It's half time.

OK so I checked my points score because I read on The Guardian that Liverpool have 72 percent possession.

Too much.

In Deb's points scoring I included the Moon.

That took 8 points incorrectly away from Liverpool.

So over all the points should be......

Liverpool 28+ Chelsea 19+.

In a tight game that would point to

1-0, (2-1), (2-0),

with Liverpool winning the Tie if it goes to Extra Time/ Penalties.

.........

Any probably worth a bet.

Tugger !!!!!!!!

Anyway you live and mostly don't learn.

Liverpool !!!!!!!

Well I can't take any credit because my before match prediction was wrong due to a glich.


So on to Milan v Utd

(edit Genolhac, 23.25, 24/Apr/07)

Deb's system gives

Milan +9 Utd + 14

Hamey's super revolutionary

Milan 0 Utd - 2

Additional pointer

Milan +2 Utd - 2

Overall

Milan +11 Utd +10

It will be an open / loose game.

Higher scoring.

Prediction!!!!

2-1, 3-1,

Milan at the last gasp/ or in extra time. Or penalties.

H.

PS too tight for a bet.

(edit OK I slept on it. ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA

And I think Mercury is VOID

Which does sort of screw things up.

You'd expect and incredibly complicated chart, woudln't you?!

It forms seperating aspects to Jupiter trine, Saturn trine, = VOID?

I though VOID had to be now aspects at all till with an up and coming cusp.

So Moon just short of 1' to 6th. Maybe already in 6th which is a whole different story.

Maybe VOID.

Maybe knock Milan back a point or 2.

So really with betting in mind it is just impossible to tell this one.

SORRY.

As somebody has to win then I'll say later. I think very most likely Milan at the death)

Goca wrote: Wood supports Fire, so Chelsea "yes"

Water do not supports Fire, so Liverpool "no"

As we can see now, Chelsea did not enter final. I know where I made mistake. I look only element, but had to look both element and year. Chelsea is "Snake" and year of Pig is not supporting year for Snake.

OK Next mistake.

It was 3-2 at Old Trafford not 2-1.

So I'd say tonight will be 3-2 after 90mins, maybe 4-2 after extra time.

Milan still to just win.

What a tense game that was last night. I had to watch through my fingers when Liverpool were taking their penalties

Anyway, so far so good. Liverpool are through to the final. Just need Milan to win tonight now. Sorry, Gem, I know you want United to win but we have to try and stay impartial when we're making predictions. I don't really see Mars being stronger than Venus. If anything Venus is better off being above the horizon but that's a minor consideration compared to the angular Moon.

Yikkes, an event chart is not a horary. It's based on a prearranged time and is not a question posed at a random time. However, I guess the interpretative approach is similar but there again it depends on the method and techniques you are using. You are certainly putting a lot of hard work into your horaries. As with all astrology it's a case of looking at lots of charts and seeing what works and what doesn't. This is what I've been doing over the past season - making observations, taking notes and making lists of what works most consistently. As I said earlier, nothing is 100% certain. An angular Moon seems to overrule everything else, but again it doesn't always work. There is no always in astrology!

Goca, bad luck with the Chinese prediction, but at least you could see where it went wrong. When trying out new methods, there's always quite a steep learning curve, as I well know It will be interesting to try your method for Euro 2008.

Looking forward to tonight's game......

Ficina
That was really amazing!!! I'm talking about the game itself and you--- 100% spot on so far. I condn't quite bellieve Liverpool could manage it yesterday but I'm no longer hopeful for Man U tonight. When I said the way you look at the chart is simpler than reading a horary chart, I meant you didn't need to use horary techniques such as considering dignities(last night the Moon was in Scorpio), translation of light(Moon translating the light of malefic Saturn, and opposition to Part of Fortune) and the house the planet is in(the sig for Man U when they won was in the 8th) and so on. The Moon appears to be the key factor and it finally trined Mars last night.

Yikkes!
I was quite impressed by your reading of hte Liverpool-Chelsea match.

Gem my feeling is that once you've crack it, that's not cracked, you will be able to predict wins, scores, players, 110 percent.

Just don't blink till you've got there.