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Spotted a glich to this.

I've been, I think, working on predicting the final outcome score.

Either 90 min win or after extra time.

But the bookies don't offer that.

So the Horarys become a bit strange.

"Who'll be winning / what will the score be after 90 mins?"

Sort of makes a mockery of the concept of the game.

"ii) All soccer match bets apply to full 90 minutes play unless otherwise stated. This includes injury time but not extra-time and golden goal or penalty shoot-outs. iii) In certain tournaments we may offer odds for a team to progress to the next round, and it is the customer's responsibility to ensure that the correct option is chosen before submitting a wager."

Maybe just need to think it thru abit.

But effectively a side could loose and still WIN!!!!!!

Oh and it was all going so well.

H.

OK I've pulled up another chart.

For the final.

The Final?

14.09 Genolhac 2/May/07
14.48 " "
22.59 " "

Might get ya booed down for this one becasue for having 3 charts but Heh !!!!



I'll start work on it.

H.

I'd be for Utd and if that's NOT possible then Liverpool.

Many thanks, Gem. I don't usually do this well. In fact I've got the horrible feeling my luck is about to run out!

It's true that essential dignity doesn't really play a part in these charts. John Frawley has made this point and I've found it to be so in practice. It does seem strange and it takes a bit of getting used to. Obviously I saw the Moon was in Scorpio and it was also in the Via Combusta to boot but you just have to try and ignore it. Regarding essential dignities of significators, if you think about it, it makes sense.

For example, Jupiter has been in Sag for quite a while. If you relied on essential dignity then in any chart that had Mercury and Jupiter as sigs, then the Jupiter team should always win, but it doesn't. In fact Mercury won most of the time in these games, even when it was in Pisces, often because it was angular but sometimes just because it was above the horizon and Jupiter was below. When Jupiter was in 4th and Mercury in 7th they often cancelled each other out and the result was a draw.

the sig for Man U when they won was in the 8th

Yes, another difficult one to get your head round - it took me quite a while to believe a sig in 8th could actually win. Obviously other factors have to be taken into account. Not just an angular Moon, but other things as well.

The Moon appears to be the key factor and it finally trined Mars last night

The Moon isn't always the key factor, but it often plays a part. I didn't take the trine to Mars into consideration last night because it was much too far away. Tonight however it's much closer (within 5 degs) so I definitely see it as relevant.

Ficina said asigning the AC to the home team isn't hard and fast rule

What I meant by that was that some people are likely to disagree - and certainly have done both in this forum and others Giving ManU the Asc just because you want them to win is something I can't really go along with, lol!

Please do try out your own methods and techniques though. Your own observations and experience may well turn out to be different from mine, and that's fine. Many roads lead to Rome - or in this case, Athens

Yikkes, you're right, betting on games that may or may not go to extra time and penalties is a real problem.

But effectively a side could loose and still WIN

Exactly, lol! Likewise a side could win and still lose. Last night if Chelsea had won the penalty shoot-out, Liverpool would have "won" at the end of 90 minutes but lost the match!

OK Lots to learn.

If it had been 3-1 I'd take some credit.

Some reason got it into my head it would go past 90 mins.

I'd say Mercury applying to Sun in 5th added power to Milan not took it away. As there is reception between them.

Not a good night.

H.

We need some term for the confessional or apologies that "often" come the morning after the prediction before.

A bit like when I used to wake up after a good night out and go "I didn't did I?!" followed by various apologies to various female friends.

So as to Milan v Utd.

Clearly I missed something as I had the points at +11 +10 in an open and loose and poor game.

I missed the reception by sign between Merc and Mars. That would have added +5 to Milan. I also feel that there is something between Merc and the Sun and related to the stadium. I'd have added +2 to Milan.

So that takes it to +18 to + 10 or 9 (as I noted hgiher up there was something to take away from Utd maybe)

+18 to + 9 suggest a really convincing win in a loose, open, but poor game.

I'd have said won by half time, 2 clear goals, 3-1, 4-2,

So good to check things many times.

So on we go.

Sad the season is coming to a close.

We have to come

City v Utd
UEFA CUP Final
Chelsea v Utd
FA Cup Final

Are they in that order ?

I have to say I think the Serbian Chinesee system possibly has a lot of merit.

H.

Champions League Final
23 May, 9.45pm EEDT
Athens, Greece
Asc 17,48 Sagittarius

I'm not sure how Jupiter on 1st cusp will work, but Mercury in 7th looks better so I think the underdogs will win. If it does turn out to be Milan v Liverpool, then Milan will probably be favourites so.....I've put a small bet on Liverpool to win at 9/2. Maybe I'm crazy but never mind

OK, that is your money, but I think you will lose it...and here is why...
From my practice I get best result when I asign ASC and DSC upon colour of sport's kit.
So ASC in Sag and ruler Ju is in connection with red colour, so ASC is Liverpool. DSC is Ge which is in connection with light colour in this case white, that is the colour of away Milan's sport kit.
Ju rx on ASC means that Liverpool will first score and because of rx motion, Ju ramble from ASC, so his power will decrese, Liverpool will not be able to detain advantage.
Ruler of Milan Me, is direct, angular.
Pl rx in 1st house one more "-" for Liverpool.
Ma, so powerfull in his sign on cusp of 4th house (house of fame and honour for Milan) means that Milan will won this game with high score! Moon in double sign means the same (many goals).
Accidental dignities:
Ju=-6 Me=+12
You got it?

Hi Goca,

From my practice I get best result when I asign ASC and DSC upon colour of sport's kit

Yes, I have heard of that method and in this case I agree it's a good one. I based my prediction on the assumption Milan would be favourites but according to the bookies there is no clear favourite - they are both 5/6.

I like your reasoning and obviously agree that the Mercury team will win.

Pl rx in 1st house one more "-" for Liverpool

Sorry, but I disagree with you here. According to John Frawley retro Pluto has to be close conj Asc. Simply being in the 1st house has no effect. I have found this to be true in practice.

An alternative approach could be the castle besiegement method since Liverpool are the cup holders. So they would get 4th house (Mars), Milan gets 1st (Jupiter). This would indicate a win for Liverpool also. It's very difficult for a retro planet to win.

OK, that is your money, but I think you will lose it

Actually I'm laughing all the way to the bank When I put on my (winning) bet for Milan and Liverpool to reach the final, for some inexplicable reason I said Milan to win. Duh! An hour or so later my brain clicked into gear so I then put the bet on for Liverpool to win. It was too late to cancel the previous bet, but it means whoever wins I'll collect. Liverpool at 9/2 or Milan at 4/1

I'll still be rooting for Liverpool though

Sorry, but I disagree with you here. According to John Frawley retro Pluto has to be close conj Asc. Simply being in the 1st house has no effect. I have found this to be true in practice.

I agree with you that Pl's influence is not so strong, because it is not so close to ASC, but I think we must consider it anyway because Pl rx is still in same sign as ASC and because of rx motion strives to ASC.

Heh Guys (assuming you are !!)

Run your system over this chart.

It's a beaut. 14.09 Genolhac 02/May/07

Go Liverpool go !!!!

Once I've done the other 2 I'll check the Event (but they are Kaka!)

It's remarkable.

It's come out with points of

Liverpool 16+ AC Milan +16

It's showing a tightish but not great game.

You'd expect that.

Having to resort to The Hamey Revolutionary Technique

Sadly it's another impossible to bet on.

It seems every factor is at play but you'd expect that for a UEFA Final wouldn't you.

My 1st stab is Milan in extra time by some remarkable stroke of luck.

90 mins will be 1-1 or (2-2).

If not then they'll win within 90, perhaps even in injury time again by some chance.

1-2.

H.

PS It's time to sleep on it.