Mario,
that is what I am talking you about. I will deffinately choose 1st date.

Ficina,
it is really not important for me to be right (I am not bet) , it is important to descover 100% secure method for prediction.

Goca,
Yes, I know you're testing out methods. I was just joking

Mario,
I'd been thinking of the exact same example! I agree with Goca and would take the first date. Different name but still the same club.

Goca
i use the 2? data, and rectified for the Apr 6, 1902, with ASC=14?Leo, OK!!! and I could find that it works very well.
For example:

1.- After refuelling in Munich on 6 February 1958 at 2:20 (-1) Munich (MC=16?40'Piscis square Pluto Rx), the United aeroplane crashed, killing twenty-two people, including seven players ? Byrne, Colman, Jones, Pegg, Taylor, Geoff Bent and Liam Whelan. Duncan Edwards died of his injuries fifteen days later in a German hospital
Check, Pluto position (sesquisquare Sun/Mars), (Moon square saturn)crash in aspect with Moon MU.
Uranus converse conjuntion IC, (1?=1 years)

2.- Malcolm Glazer takeover of Manchester United
On 13 May 2005, American businessman Malcolm Glazer acquired a controlling interest in the club through his investment vehicle Red Football Ltd. in a takeover valuing the club at approximately ?800 million (approx. $1.5 billion). MC Progress Semisquare Pluto Rx (big Money) and change managment!!!

Argentina to win it.

Both managers born a day apart - not much going on to seperate them there.

Argentina Captain, Roberto Ayala, Saturn trine Sun. Would take a guess at Leo rising

Anyone care to look at the natal of Lionel Messi for Argentina?
You might want to.

Mario, I do not know what to say, it seams you are much knowledge astrologer that me, I learn astrology from books and Internet, I do not go to astrology school, and I may say I do not work with Semisquare aspects, I "know" only for "most important": sextile, trine, opposition and square. But surely that detailed approach gives better result!

Goca wrote:Mario, I do not know what to say, it seams you are much knowledge astrologer that me, I learn astrology from books and Internet, I do not go to astrology school, and I may say I do not work with Semisquare aspects, I "know" only for "most important": sextile, trine, opposition and square. But surely that detailed approach gives better result!

I learn from Internet and few books also (4, I think)
Even though we don't have a teacher as such, we still learn pretty much the same, despite different circumstances.

Anyone needs an early morning pick me up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DN0R_1vH-Y

Music to my ears

I mean Lionel Messi NOT Carlos Tevez.

Very tired.

Brasil 3 - 0 Argentina

First of all, when you try to predict by astrology winner, you must forget who plays, who not, you must only look astrological facts.
I think this "chinese method" is highly appropriate for one year competition, but for weekly matches we have to look elements for that specific day. I will test this method in future again I think it promise...

If you ask me why horary chart did not deliver same result, I think it is because I did not consider that Me is in different sign than 7 house cusp, so his influence is greately weakened.

I'm glad the Chinese method worked, Goca.

Giving the favourite the Asc also worked on this occasion. I was wrong about Argentina scoring first, although they did "shoot themselves in the foot" by scoring Brazil's second goal for them. The Argentina captain scored an own goal.

One friend of mine said to me that that method, favorite on ASc in his opinion gives best results when there is "big" match in question.

Goca, what does your friend do when there isn't a clear-cut favourite? I remember the problems we had with this method in the FA Cup and Champions League Finals.

He has the same problem! I hope, because you are in England, that you (or maybe Deb!) will have chance to meet J.Frawley on some atrology conference and ask him in person. Many people need answer on this question!
By the way is Frawley's new book about sport's astrology in store?