Yikkes,

Try to get hold of Bernadette Brady's Predictions in Astrology. She sets out the Eclipses in Saros Series and delineates each one. The data of the first Eclipse and last Eclipses in the particular Saros Series is all there. Each Series carries a theme of its own which Bernadette has set out in an easy to understand Astro language.

Eclipses can be beginnings or endings - where they fall in the chart is where they impact. Where is the best place for them to fall - we dont have a choice here! The areas of life - Houses - give us the story. This book is a must for your book shelf an invaluable in looking into Eclipses plus Sec Progs and transits. Do yourself a favor and get a copy - you wont be sorry.

Julie K

I was refering to the fact that you started this particular thread and might not wish to digress to far within it. not rules related os much as courtesy related.

OK But I was just clarifying policy and I should have spelled it out better. So here goes:

The traditionial forum was set up just for that - traditional Western Astrology. Therefore outer planets, asteroids, and other modern conventions are inappropriate (although using the outers a fixed stars is OK). Otherwise there is no point in having a traditional forum.

If I wanted the discussion to be strictly traditional, I would have posted it there. There is no prohibition against mundane astrology over there. Even though I was using traditional techniques, I didn't expect strictly traditional responses. I was taken with the fact that there is an eclipse on Sept 11, 2007, that occurs at almost the precise time of the first attack on the Twin Towers and how that chart related to other charts.

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

Tom

From Predictive Astrology Pages 320-321
Bernadette Brady

the eclipses this year are Saros Series 9, and their birthdays are:

SSN Born 21 August 1664 9:12:03 GMT North Pole ends 2043
(I think it is the North Saros on the 11th)

She says of this series:
"this is a physically expressive Saros series. Accidents, great physical effort, violence or any sudden physical events. These can be experienced positively as, for example, the time snow skiing, or negatively in terms of accidents and so on, The approach to take with this series is affecting a chart in not to hide away but to undertake some physical activity, with an ever watchful eye to safety.

SSS Born 19 July 1917 2:59:41 GMT South pole ends 3161

And for this series she says:
This Saros series appears to be concerned with the brining to the surface of long term worries about loved ones, health or issues to do with paperwork or communication. this could manifest as a worrying piece of news about a loved one or responsibilities with paperwork coming home to roost. Any news will have a sense of destiny or fatedness about it.
series was 1917, 1935, 1953, 1971, 1989, 2007, 2025, 2043

ss2 series was 2000
ss3 series was 2001
North - she classifies this as an over excessive eclipse series
main these being news involving young people or Transform a situation. this can cause worry or can cause the person (nation?) to be obsessive
(Granny_I think Obsession covers it.)
and south This family brings with it a sudden ending of associations or relationships, possibly with a younger person. There is a large meotional componant as Pluto is involved. A sense of Traumatic Transformation. This can be through News received or short Journeys undertaken.
series 1911, 1929, 1947, 1965, 1983, 2001, 2019 and 2038

Now Granny notes:
I think it interesting that the 2001 theme is basically Obsession and Transformation.

also the paperwork confusion trail, I've noticed HUGE electronic Transfer of funds problems recently. they get cleared up pretty quick, but still, 15000 paychecks at one company weren't direct deposited, causing all kinds of fee issues, which cost thousands of dollars.(payment occured within 24 hours, but 24 hours is an whole lot of money) I have heard more tales lately of paychecks bouncing that when taken to the bank, there were plenty of funds. working where I do, I hear this kind of stuff when it happens, and i haven't seen it happen before, not on this scale and frequency, so I'm really wondering if we wont see an electronic funds issue blow up. large enough that it hits the news big time. I had a check issue with a different company that was similar, plenty of money in the guarenters account, it was a transfer issue. and today my daughters school bounced a check on an account that I know to have more than 5 times the amount of the check in it. so more than 5 different banking institutions involved, in no case was money not available, in each case it was electronic transfer, I see an issue coming to a head that fits the Brady description. will be interesting to see - and come to think of it, since it was the World trade center that was destroyed it could well have stemmed from that point? some small issue that has multiplied?

Possibly there is some hanky panky going on we aren't really aware of? in the banking arena. I think the funds are okay, I think it is the Transfer method that has a glitch.

Granny

Granny,

Thanks for the post from Bernadette Brady. I have some how interpreted or mis-read an important document and responded incorrectly! Not surprising in this Eclipse week. Now I have more paperwork plus a trip to the Post Office!

You can also gain a better understanding of the fall out from the Lunar Eclipse from Visual Astrology Newsletter for Sept 2007 from www.Zyntara.com

This Van is from Bernadette Brady and Darrenlyn Gunzberg - Bernadette she uses her Starlight Fixed Star program - she follows the Eclipse path from USA across Asian Pacific area. We know the path of the Eclipse will influence countries it moves across. ? Julie K

Tom,

I'm also confused by what Brady has put in her latest VAN.
If I go to the site of the great god of all eclipse data, Fred Espenak;

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/eclipse.html

then the piccies on there show it to be mostly across South America.

For example, this one;

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/O ... 1-Fig4.GIF

and this animated one;

http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/S ... Sep11P.GIF

Its alwasy so reassuring to us mere mortals when someone as detail oriented and conscientious as Bernadette Brady makes an errror, if indeed she has, I have the newsletter, but haven't delved into it as I've been a bit busy. It makes the rest of us feel so much better about when we make our own silly errors.

If she has I shall have to point out her prediction about mess ups with paperwork in the Saros Series 9 North and Chuckle.

Granny

Tom,

Solar Maps draws up the Solar Eclipses and not the Lunar Eclipses unfortunately. The Sept 11, 07 path is well South of South Africa and does no impact on any land mass other than Anartica. It wont be visible to the Northern Hemisphere Tom.

I'm wondering if Forum members are getting the Lunar Eclipse confused with the Solar Eclipse? BB is showing the path of the Lunar Eclipse of Aug 28,07 in her VAN for Sept 07 while Nasas site has the Solar Eclipse of Sept 11,07.

Does this help? Julie K

Tom,

Sorry I must correct my post. I was looking at part of the map - the Sept 11, 07 Partial Solar Eclipse moves across South America. Peru,Brazil, Bolivia,Argentina. Watch for Events that are newsworthy icoming from this part of the Globe.

Fred Espanek Nasa site shows the path clearly. Julie K

I had a moment this morning and thought I'd look anew at the Eclipse chart.

and decided to break it down to just the strongest most obvious elements and came up with this view.

Sun and moon aligned opposed to Uranus(Rx) in Tsquare with mars

sun moon mars all in mercury ruled signs.
Uranus in Jupiter ruled sign.

interpretation: All coming together to oppose chaos and frustrated by war, with thoughts (mercury) moving ahead into ambassadorial/political solutions and chaos seemingly remaining in its current state. Jupiter having recently turned Direct, I say seemingly because I think in some manner someone is now turning chaos to benefit, or attempting to do so.

Granny

Hello again. Thank you, Tom.
I have found this topic very interesting and came across some information on the web that seemed an eye full. Thought I would share with the group for thoughts. I don't know anything about this website and was wondering if anyone else has heard of it. I thought the concern about the earth and how things are currently going is very interesting considering that global warming and such is starting to be a hot topic. Maybe the new Pluto Capricorn generation will push an awareness to earthly issues.



http://www.astrologycourse.org/2012.htm

Hi Hazel,

I don't know anything about this website and was wondering if anyone else has heard of it. I thought the concern about the earth and how things are currently going is very interesting considering that global warming and such is starting to be a hot topic. Maybe the new Pluto Capricorn generation will push an awareness to earthly issues.

Mundane astrology is difficult by its nature. Furthermore, it is difficult because there is very little written on how to do it. This is a double-edged sword. On the one hand it frees the astrologer to do some original thinking and that?s good. On the other hand it allows for a lot of junk because there are no guidelines, by definition, in an anything goes subject.

In the Astrologer?s Apprentice No 21, John Frawley made a couple of useful observations. The most important is that first rate mundane astrology can only be done by an astrologer with ?real knowledge,? i.e. the knowledge that comes from being next to the throne. This makes sense, as astrology does not exist in a vacuum. This also lets out 100% of us, unless Skyscript is the secret haunt of a member of the Bush Administration, the Brown Cabinet or some other high level organization within a government. However, and this next is very important, he also noted that the media does not disseminate ?real knowledge?. Unfortunately, this is where most of us get most of what we ?know.? So we have to learn to read between the lines a bit, and even this is full of danger as some people can read sinister motivations into a cookbook.

For example, ?Global warming,? i.e. the idea that there is a continual rise in the earth?s temperatures due to man made activity, is very likely a dead issue, perhaps temporarily, but more than likely it is going to go the way of the global cooling scares of the 1970s. It is not coming to the forefront. It?s been there and gone. We can deduce this from two facts. One: Al Gore?s ?Live Earth? or whatever it was called was a man made flop. In fact just recently the BBC dropped previously scheduled programs dealing with this subject because there is no interest in it, or in being lectured by rock stars and celebrities whose own lifestyles are far removed from those they would impose on others.

Second, the Global warming? crowd is no longer calling themselves the ?Global warming? crowd. They now insist on the new title of ?climate change? crowd. There are several reasons for this all beside the point, but switching the name and the topic in midstream is a pretty good indication that none of this is catching on, as ?global warming? so a new marketing technique is set in motion. From this we can safely suggest if not outright conclude, that this particular ?movement? has at least stalled. Not our hero, though. He hasn?t caught up yet.

When you see something like this:

The pressure of Saturn and Pluto will change the belief system of the world in a way that people finally realize that we have been on the wrong track for the last thousands of years. People and especially governments will finally realize that bringing peace and welfare to the world is a better thing to do then fighting wars, polluting the environment and creating misery. The likelihood of this to happen is I believe 10%. Looking at the current situation of the world makes is impossible for me to come up with a higher percentage

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The first word to enter our minds should be ?hubris.? Who is this guy to say that all of mankind has been on ?the wrong track? for thousands of years? Christ didn?t even say that, and he was trying to get his followers next to God. This is too absurd to even comment further

I?m only picking on this statement as it was made on that site. We can do this with a lot of what passes for mundane astrology. The key, it seems to me, is to find the connections between charts, and then apply the symbolism. Sure we?ll have to use what information we have available to us, and little of that is ?real knowledge,? but we can make educated guesses instead of wild ones.

Mars involved in hard aspects to other planets is significant given the world situation. Is this Mars linked to other significant charts? If so the prediction is on surer footing. We have ?real knowledge? that the Middle East is an unstable war zone (Please resist the temptation to say, ?So what?s new about that??). We can apply that information, but need to apply it with restraint. I think that ?unstable? is a less emotionally charged word than ?chaotic,? and strictly speaking, more accurate. Once we take the emotionalism out of the delineation, we?ll get closer to the truth a lot quicker.

I have not had the time to look at this chart any closer, and wish I did. I?ll be on a trip and sometimes, on these things I get blocks of time to kill. I hope I can get to it.

Glad you?re enjoying the thread.

Tom