Capricorn is the ascendant. Virgo is on the 9th house cusp. Libra on the 10th house cusp.

Saturn is at 0 degree Virgo in the 8th house. Saturn is quintile Mars (18 Gemini) in 6th house, semisextile Mercury (2 Libra) in 9th house.

Mercury is in 9th house (2 Libra) quintile the Moon in the 7th house and semisextile Saturn in 8th house.

Venus is (16 Leo) in 8th house semisextile the Moon 7th house and semisextile the Sun 8th house, also trine Jupiter in the 11th house and sextile Mars in the 6th house.

The question is a post for an extended time overseas. All that is needed is approval and the paperwork. I read a horary with too much emotion. Based on the chart I feel I will get the approval and then the post.

How do others withmore experience and less emotional attachment feel?

Hi, Moonwise.

Could we have the chart data, please?

Question
Date
Time
Location
Degree Ascending
Degree and Placement of Moon

at a minimum, would be helpful.

Regards,

Spirlhelix

Question asked 6 of September 2007 at 3:35 EDT in NYC, NY USA.
Moon is 18 Cancer Ascendant at 3 Capricorn.

Hi moonwise,

What's the question?

The question is will I get my papers and receive approval for my post overseas (for an extended period)? Hopefully soon with no hassles or more endless paperwork.

Thanks for the chart information, Moonwise.

I know the feeling of being a bit overwhelmed by a chart in which we have so much investment. But just so we know where you're coming from, could you elaborate on why you judged this chart as you did? I think verbalizing your process will help you improve your technique for future charts. I'll chime in with my interpretation; probably others will answer with totally different predictions. For the sake of improving our process, it's good to make note of why we make the predictions we do, or how we defend them.

Regards,

Spirlhelix

Basically with this chart. Because I want it to answer in the affirmative, so of course I only read positive things and try to discount the negative.

Venus ruler of the 10th house is trine Jupiter, always good I think. Mercury is well aspected in the 9th house. 9th house being foreign, overseas, papers. While Saturn the chart ruler is quintile Mars (and I'm not certain what the infers) it does not seem afflicted.

I did not take Uranus or the other outer planets into account because iI primarily use Lilly's work to guide me. Unfortunately the only question that comes close is inthe Chapter on the 10th house, which doesn't take 9th house issues into account.

I have noted Lilly's rule which applies to this chart below, from Christian Astrology Chapter LXXXII:

THE TENTH HOUSE, and those QUESTIONS
properly belonging unto it.


CHAP. LXXXII.

Of Government, Office, Dignity, Preferment, or any place of
Command or Trust, whether attainable or not?


The 1st house and his Lord are given to the Querent, the 10th house and his Lord shall signifie the Place, Office, Preferment, Command, Honour, &c. enquired after; if the Lord of the ascendant and the Moon be both joyned to the Sun, or to the Lord of the 10th, or either of them, and the Lord of the 10th behold the 10th, or be personally therein, the Querent shall then have the thing sought after, but not Gratis; nay, he must bestir himselfe, and use all the friends he can about it: if none of the Significators be joyned to the Lord of the 10th,, see if the Lord of the 1st or Moon be in the 10th, he shall then attain what he desires, if that Planet be not impedited: The Lord of the 10th in the 1st, so he be a lighter Planet then the Lord of the
1st, though no aspect be betwixt them, yet shall he attain the Place or Office desired; but with more ease and lesse labour when the Lord of the 10th is in the ascendant, and is either going to Conjunction , Sextile or Trine aspect with the Lord of the 1st.

If the Lord of the 10th be joyned to Jupiter or Venus by any aspect, and the Lord of the 10th be in the ascendant, it argues obtaining of the Office with ease and facility: If the Lord of the 10th be joyned to Mars or Saturn, and they or either of them in the ascendant, in their owne house or exaltation, and themselves Orientall and Direct, and not one opposite to another, this doth argue obtaining the Preferment, though with much importunity.

If the Lord of the 10th receive the Lord of the 1st or the Moon by any reception, or in any house, the matter will be effected with much content and profit.

If any Planet transferre the vertue of the Lord of the 1st to the Lord of the 10th, then the thing will be perfected, or Office obtained by meanes of another that labours in the matter, and not by himselfe: In this case, it?s best that he who would acquire the Dignity, observe if he know such a man as the Planet describes, that in probability is active, or of neer acquaintance to the person of whom he would have the Office, and let him imploy such a one in the businesse, for by his meanes it?s very like he may attaine the place desires.

If the Lord of the 10th doe not desire the Conjunction of the Lord of the 1st, but the Lord of the ascendant his, and doth really come to Conjunction of the Lord of the 10th, without the abscission of any other Planet before Conjunction, the Office will be obtained, but the Querent must labour hard for it.

No Conjunction being betwixt the Lord of the 1st and 10th, or either of them joyned to a Fortune, but to a malevolent, and this malevolent joyned to another malevolent, and this malevolent joyned to a Fortune, and this Fortune joyned to the Lord of the 10th; if the Conjunction of the 1st Infortune be with the Lord of the 1st, or the last Planet is joyned to the Lord of the 1st, or if their first Conjunction be with the Lord of the 10th, yet it imports acquisition of the Dignity, but with infinite perplexities, and solicitation of many and severall persons: you may easily distinguish the persons of those to be imployed, by the Planets before mentioned, and the houses they are Lords of; those Planets that are in Sextile or Trine to the Lord of the 10th are great with him: Let application or meanes be made to such, for those men may be great Friends to the Querent.

Behold if any of the preceding Planets be in the 1st, or in the 10th; if he be a Fortune, it notes obtaining the Dignity, whether he be in Reception or not: if the Planet so posited do receive the Moon or Lord of the 1st, the matter will be perfected, but without Reception, not.

If the 10th house be in the house or exaltation of that evill Planet, and he placed in that house, he performes the business, whether he receive the Lord of the ascendant or the Moon: In every Question you must observe, that what Planet soever is Significator of any thing, if he be in an angle, he hastens to effect the matter; in a succedant, the matter goes on slowly; in a cadent house, the matter goes backward, yet at last is performed.

See if an ill Planet behold the Lord of the ascendant or the Moon, with Square or Opposition, without Reception, for unlesse he then commit his disposition to another, he hinders and disturbs the Querent by meanes of that person who is to solicite the cause or businesse, and it?s probable they will fall out about it: if a Trifle or Sextile be betwixt them, he will not be angry with him, although he performe not what he expects.

If the Lord of the ascendant and 10th commit their disposition to any Planet by any aspect, with or with no Reception, whether the Receiver be a Fortune or Infortune (so that he be not Retrograde, Combust or Cadent, or goe out of that Signe wherein he is before the Conjunction of the Lord of the 1st or 10th, the Querent shall achieve the preferment expected.

It?s generally concluded by all Astrologers, that if the Lord of the ascendant and the Lord of the 10th be joyned together, and the Moon apply to either of them, the matter will be effected, but best of all when Moon separates from the Lord of the 10th, and applyes to the Lord of the ascendant.

Behold if the Lord of the 1st be joyned to the Lord of the 4th, or the Lord of the 4th to the Lord of the ascendant, it argues their perfecting of the thing: but if the Lord of the ascendant be joyned to the Lord of the 4th, and the Lord of the 4th be joyned to the Lord of the 10th, the matter shall be effected, but with so much strugling and delaying that it was absolutely despaired ever to be effected, yet at last it was perfected.."

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I have worked my way halfway through the rules; so far, no luck finding a positive answer for you in your chart. I hope the matter will be resolved as quickly as you think; once in a while the VOC Moon means everything is already settled and there is nothing more to be done.

The Part of Fortune in the tenth looks favorable, and the North Node in the second hints of an increase in income. Those indications look good; but without more sustantial validation, I'm not ready to say I see a positive answer. Venus, Lady of the tenth, is about to go stationary, then direct, ruining the perfection of the Venus-Jupiter trine. This is an example of refrenation.

Quote from Lilly, CA again:

[REFRENATION.] There?s another manner of Prohibition; by some more properly called Refrenation; as thus, Saturn in 12 degr. of Aries, Mars in 7 degr. here Mars hastens to a Conjunction of Saturn, but before he comes to the tenth or eleventh degree of Aries he becomes Retrograde, and by that meanes refrains to come to a Conjunction of Saturn, who still moves forward in the Sign, nothing signifies by the former Conjunction will ever be effected.

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This is not too good for your question, so I need to see more to judge the chart.

I'll send more later.

Warmly,

Spirlhelix

Of Government, Office, Dignity, Preferment, or any place of
Command or Trust, whether attainable or not?

". . . Behold if the Lord of the 1st be joyned to the Lord of the 4th, or the Lord of the 4th to the Lord of the ascendant, it argues their perfecting of the thing: but if the Lord of the ascendant be joyned to the Lord of the 4th, and the Lord of the 4th be joyned to the Lord of the 10th, the matter shall be effected, but with so much strugling and delaying that it was absolutely despaired ever to be effected, yet at last it was perfected."

Lady of the tenth, Venus, will direct, then apply to a sextile with Mars. This fulfills the last rule Lilly offers on the tenth house chart for Office. I could not detect that any of the other rules were met. Whew!

The good news is, Don't give up on your plans! There is hope. The bad news is, there will be a whole lot of trouble before your post is obtained; I would count on making some adjustments to your plans.

Venus is going to use the woman's perogative and "change her mind"; that is, though she is now retrograde, she will go stationary (delay her decision), then go direct (missing entirely that nice trine with Jupiter). Moon is Void of Course, with the exception that she will sextile Mercury once she changes signs into Leo. Since Moon describes the planned action of the chart, a change in the Moon's sign often means a change in plans.
Having to wait for the Moon to change signs often means delays and a whole shift in your patterns, plans, or ways of thinking.

As to the "foreign travel/work" element of the chart, Mercury ruling the ninth in the ninth is nice. Even nicer, he is in aspect to your ascendant, 3 degrees of Capricorn. Now the bad news: that aspect is a square. But Mercury exalts Saturn, so the reception looks good. Perhaps difficult international travel agrees with you!

Now for the papers, which I look to the third house to find; Lilly says ninth is for books. I would put your papers more in the category of "letters", which Lilly says belongs to the third house. Jupiter is just within orb of a square to Saturn, but with not-so-great reception. Virgo, where Saturn is situated, is in Jupiter's detriment. Sigh. So the paper situation does not look very good. I'm sure you can't get the post without the paperwork, though, so I'd like to encourage you to persevere. Squares are sometimes effective, but always tend to be hard work.

I'm sorry to give you this difficult news. The chart has you as Saturn in the eighth house, in 00 degrees of a new sign. I would tend to say you may be feeling a bit blue, or needing some space for yourself (eighth house=hiding, or to put it nicely, solitude). Or perhaps you are missing a loved one who has departed. The 00 degree is interesting; astrology was invented before the concept of zero was developed. Some may disagree with my interpretation, but from that, I derive that the 00 degree can mean vascillation between the two signs in question: sometimes acting like the last degree of Leo, sometimes acting like the first degree of Virgo. The Virgo wants to get out of the country (Mercury in the ninth, L9); the Leo wants seclusion (Sun in the eighth, Lord of the eighth).

Perhaps some other opinions here will be more cheering. Smile.

The positive indicators on the chart are North Node, indicating gain, in the second house; Part of Fortune in the tenth, indicating money to be earned at your new post. Mars, dispositor of the Part of Fortune, is found in the sixth house of soldiers/infantry, although your significator is not found there. Will you be supporting the military in your new position?

Please keep in touch and let us know how it goes!

Regards,

Spirlhelix

Hi, Moonwise

Any updates on this chart, your previous 10th house question? Your feedback is useful to all forum members.

Warmest Regards,

Spirlhelix

moonwise,

Have you any update?

The only aspects used in Horary are the Ptolomics - oppostions, squares, conjunctions. The minor aspects are not used.

The Moon is the first planet we look at and the considerations are:
The Moon is VOC
The Moon is fast.
The Moon is placed in 7th House of others and is in her own Sign.

Your Signicator is Saturn - he is placed in the 8th House - he makes a trine to the Asc and conjs the S Node. He is also conj the Royal Fixed Star Regulus and indicates Success without revenge. There is not a lot there to work on with ascpects.

I dont think you will get an answer for some time with the VOC Moon. There are 11/46 degrees until the Moon changes Sign. So it may be 11 days or 11 weeks. It cant be years.
Good Luck with this.

Julie K

I have submitted all the paperwork. I am now awaiting approval for the papers and approval regarding the post. I need the paperwork approved first then I will be informed about the post. So far I have not received news.

I did not check to see if the moon was VOC, if I had I would have waited to ask the question, but alas, sometimes rashness gets the better of one. 11 days does not seem too long to wait, Hopefully Lord willing I will have good news to report.