Very interesting comments from all of you
I have a feeling that ManU(DC) may have a better chance of winning. The close aspect to the Part of Success (though it's an opposition), the Moon is fast compared to Saturn(more attacking from ManU?) and the DC is conjunct a bright fixed star Pollax, though the 2 deg orb may be too wide. But more likely a draw.

I didn't know Arsenal were faves...

That's an interesting idea, using the Moon's dispositor as the sig... Have you tired that, Ficina?

Arsenal are marginal faves and I think this is based purely on home advantage. These are two sides on top form, there is very little to choose between them, so therefore, as Leelee says, a draw is the expected outcome.

Andrew, this is a great test for astrology and the only stricture would be the Moon's dual role and how we get round that, as discussed.

I am favouring ManU because the Moon is in 7th and this has often been an overruling testimony in the past. And if anyone can get 3 points at the Emirates, then ManU are probably the only team likely to do it

That's an interesting idea, using the Moon's dispositor as the sig... Have you tired that, Ficina?

I've looked at a few charts in retrospect and I'm not convinced. And of course if the Moon's in Capricorn or Aquarius, it's impossible!

OK, here is John Frawley's method applied to this match (Asc 21Cap45, Moon 00Vir00).

Significators:
Saturn (L1) for favourite = Arsenal 11/8
Mercury (dispositor of L7 Moon) for underdog = Man Utd 2/1
Mars (L10) is also dispositor of Fortuna, so only this latter role counts
Venus (L4) for underdog

House placement: None within 2-3 degrees. Moon's aspects: None within 5-6 degrees. Fortuna's aspects: None to Moon, no conjunction or opposition to Lords.

Other:
L1 conjunct South Node (2 degrees, separating) = underdog
Fortuna combust (<1 degree, applying) = underdog

All in all, two testimonies for the underdog. However, he does say that this method works well for finals but not for league matches. So, provided that the method can be applied to this game at all, the chart seems to indicate a win for Man Utd.

Its a draw

After another look at the blackburn vs liverpool chart. I am going for Liverpool will win 2-0.

Good call by this forum!

To be fair to Frawley, the two testimonies are listed under "miscellaneous" factors in his book, so clearly not major influences. The Saturn conjunct South Node is particularly weak, and if we're left with PoF combust, well, if that's the only thing going for the underdog, then all that will be enough for is a draw at the most.

Weighing up the various factors is difficult, and here, from a betting perspective, a position against Arsenal would have been justified on the basis of no major evidence and one minor testimony for the underdog. So perhaps the method was still indicative of the match, especially considering that the timing was not run-of-the-mill, so certainly the potential for it was there.

Taking a look at what was happening to the significators in real time...

L1: Saturn, L10: Mars = favourite (Arsenal)
L7: Moon, L4: Venus = underdog (Man Utd)

15th min: L4 to 7th house (U) = penalty for Arsenal denied
45th min: L1 SQ MC (U) = Man Utd scores
51st min: L10 to 5th house (F) = Arsenal scores (48th min)
80th min: L7 CO Des (U) = Man Utd scores (82 min)
90th min: L1 CO Des (F) = Arsenal scores

So 2 vs 3 events indicated for the teams, final score: 2-2. A draw call wouldn't have been unreasonable considering the odds.

Well done to everybody, especially those who got it right

The Blackburn/L'pool match also ended in a draw.

I would say it`s definitely Liverpool`s win if the Moon is not conjoining the S Node and then Saturn, but as it is it can be a draw again.

Gem, is this based on Goca's indicators for a draw? I hadn't been able to find any previous charts with Moon conj S Node, but yesterday's two games are perfect examples.

Peter, as you say, if you'd disregarded those two minor testimonies I think you'd have gone for a draw too. At half time I actually ran the chart through in real time and saw the Moon and Saturn crossing the Desc towards the end of the game. Lucky Arsenal scoring their equaliser in injury time!

Ficina
I've seen quite a few games ended in a draw where the Moon is applying to either the S Node or Satrun. But I thought I got it wrong till Arsenal scored at the last minuite

Peter
Quite impressive looking at the sigs in real time

The Saturn conjunct South Node is particularly weak,

Saturn has some affinity with the S Node and it doesn't seem to get detrimental effects from being conjunct it. We've seen the charts even where Saturn was in partile conjunction with the S Node but that had no ill effects on Saturn.

Saturn conj South node is probably as old, weak, worn or fragile as you can get. News that comes to mind: The 3000 year old mummy of the Egyptian king ,Tutankhamon, was shown in public for the first time on Sunday. Things of this nature that turn to dust as soon as you breathe on them. However, you may agree that this is the nature of Saturn, but anything that you want to hold on to and restore for any practical purpose is surely in a weary state.

The revelation of the 3000 year old face is indeed extraordinary; certainly it`d be fascinating to look at it astrologically.

Regarding SNode-Saturn, the only reference that comes to my mind right now is `Picatrix` quoted by Astrojin: www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopics.p ... ght=#19156