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37 by Gem
I haven`t read JF`s book so it`s very interesting to see his method being demonstrated here by the members. I`m particularly struck by the abundant use of antiscion and the use of the dispositor of the Moon as the main sig in the Cancer/Cap games. What do you do when the Moon is in Aquarius/Capricorn(as Ficina pointed out somewhere)?

Astrology aside, it`s difficult to imagine Arsenal not beating Slavia Plague. I`m going for a easy win for both ManU and Arsenal. The Barcelona/Rangers chart looks interesting. There are testimonies for Rangers but I`m not sure they are strong enough to beat Barcelona.

I haven`t personally seen any effects of Via Combusta; besdies, it`s applying to Spica so it should be all right.

38 by leeleelee
Odds for Sporting vs Roma, volatile. It is hard to determine who is the favourite now. So we throw in the color method: Sporting = Green/White Stripes, Roma = Orange/Brown. So Sporting gets ASC (Gemini) ?

I think I will pass on this one.

39 by Ficina
Slavia Prag-Arsenal. Roughly 4 : 1. Strong evidence for the underdog; not just the two shared testimonies, but also L1 just inside c4. (I use Dispositor of the Moon for L1). I think Slavia Prag will win or maybe a draw.... (the difference in odds considering).
This is an interesting one. If we give the home team the Asc, then all the testimonies are in Arsenal's favour. I wonder who gets the Asc using the colour method?

Re the Lazio and Valencia matches yesterday. Again, I'm wondering how the colour method would have panned out. When Leelee did that analysis looking at the three different methods of Asc allocation, the colour method came out on top. (See page 1 of the October Predictions thread.) Such a lot of hard work though. Finding out the team colours and then deciding how they fit, before you even consider what's happening in the chart.

Re: Champions League post mortem

40 by horarcek
LaurieB wrote:
It is the Valencia-Rosenborg game that has me mystified.
I expected Valencia to win by default option, especially as the odds were enormously in their favour. I could have made a fortune, but alas....
Rosenborg won, 0-2. And there was absolutely no testimony for it. At least not that I could see. Lord 7 was 3 degrees before c4, so unless the game started about 10 minutes early....
There is aboslutely nothing else! Unless we resort to quincunxes and use the MC: Lord 7 opposite MC (3 degrees away) and Moon quincunx MC, but I am not willing to consider those just yet. I will keep it in mind though for another time. This is one of those mystifying charts that I keep in a separate drawer to look at some times and hope for a revelation or divine insight :x

I will post my predictions for tonight separately.

Hi Laurie, (glad to meet you here too :D ),
what do you think about antiscia of L4 very close to North Node?

About position of L7 close to 4th cusp it means (by my opinion) only good playing of underdog and so it isn`t strong testimony for him to win.

Trojan
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post mortem Champions League

41 by LaurieB
Well, me and my big mouth...
I got three totally wrong; two where I expected the underdogs to win, and one where I expected the favourites to win.
I thought Glasgow Rangers might win, or a draw (because of the great difference in strength), but of course Barcelona won. I should have known better at those odds, (1.70 : 14.00) but the Rosenborg game.....
Fenerbahce losing or a draw was wishful thinking; PSV are probably out of the CL now. No testimonies whatsoever in the chart.
Sporting-AS Roma is a mystery. AS Roma were the favourites. Moon applying to conjunct L1 should have made them win, but it was a draw 2-2.
Inter Milan, Olympique, Sevilla and Manchester U. did as expected and Arsenal I thought might lose or a draw, well it was a draw 0-0.

Tonight in the UEFAcup there are 16 games and that is too many for me. I simply don't have the time to do them all. So I will make a selection.
I will post them later on. Any favourites?

In the meantime: do you have any thoughts on why AS Roma did not win?

42 by Ficina
So six favourites won, five of which were the home teams - pretty much par for the course.
do you have any thoughts on why AS Roma did not win?
Leelee pointed out that odds were fluctuating, so presumably Roma were not definite faves at the start of the game. That alone could indicate a draw. However, astrologically speaking, as well as being L1, Mercury was also L4, so the Moon's applying aspect favoured both sides. Laurie, I don't see antiscion POF in 1st. Are you using reversed formula? Antiscion Mercury is just inside 10th, so that would favour Asc team. Apparently Sporting deserved to win the game and were very unlucky to concede a last minute equaliser which was a double deflection.
About position of L7 close to 4th cusp it means (by my opinion) only good playing of underdog and so it isn`t strong testimony for him to win.
That's what I used to believe too, Trojan, until seeing the Liverpool game. Besiktas did not play well at all :?

I've never felt the same enthusiasm for the UEFA cup as I do for the Champions League. However, the Spurs, Bolton and Everton games are all being shown on TV here, so I shall probably take a look at those charts.

post mortem Champions League

43 by LaurieB
Ficina, I composed a very lengthy reply and then I lost it :( I cannot handle the quote system yet, apparently.

We were talking about the AS Roma game:
In short: John doesn't use the 4th and 10th if the significtors are the same as the 1st and 7th. I watched charts with them for some time and I agree. So no favouring both teams.

And no, the Antiscion of Fortuna is not in 1. I made a mistake, and you are right, antiscion L1 is just inside the 10th. I missed that. Sloppy! Favorites should have won. Then why didn't they?

All I can think of is Pluto. John says "Pluto seems to hold some kind of grudge against favourites: he's much less inclined to work his malice on the underdog." (SA p90). So the placement of Pluto in the 7th may have been more harmfull for the favourites, especially as antiscionMercury, both L1 and the dispositor of Fortuna, sextiles Pluto.
In the Rosenborg game (another mystery), the antiscion of Venus, dispositor of Fortuna squared Pluto. I may be wrong, but I will keep a very close eye on Pluto for the time being.

44 by Ficina
John doesn't use the 4th and 10th if the significtors are the same as the 1st and 7th
Ah, that makes sense - thanks, Laurie.
Favorites should have won. Then why didn't they?
No method works 100% of the time? JF makes a couple of comments in his book about this, including the tongue in cheek one about the players not following the script :lol: As you say though, it might be worth keeping an eye on the wretched Pluto.

In tonight's games we have Moon sextile Saturn.

Bayern v Bolton. Moon sextile Saturn (L10), opp ant Mercury (L1). An easy win for Bayern who are odds-on faves.

Hapoel Tel-Aviv v Spurs. Moon aspects are the same, favouring the Asc team, except Moon/Saturn is just over 5 degs. Jupiter (L7) in 7th. Looks like a draw, although Spurs may have the edge being odds-on faves.

Nurnberg v Everton. No clear fave. Moon sextile Saturn (L7). Mars as dispositor of Moon (L1) conj PoF but separating. I'll go for a win for Everton.

45 by LaurieB
I still haven't figured out how to use the nice quotes; so your comments are between ""

"No method works 100% of the time? JF makes a couple of comments in his book about this, including the tongue in cheek one about the players not following the script :lol: As you say though, it might be worth keeping an eye on the wretched Pluto."

I cannot accept a method not working all the time, or, as in this case, to be so totally wrong some of the time
There must be additional testimony not used/noticed yet.

"Hapoel Tel-Aviv v Spurs. Moon aspects are the same, favouring the Asc team, except Moon/Saturn is just over 5 degs. Jupiter (L7) in 7th. Looks like a draw, although Spurs may have the edge being odds-on faves."

This chart looks very much like the Sporting-AS Roma one. Based on this I agree with the draw. The big difference is placement of Fortuna, but that doesn't play a role in either of these two charts, as far as I can see. So draw it is.

I havent'looked at the other charts you mention, I based my 6 choices on the odds. I prefer games were the oods are not almost the same or with a great difference. I go for the middle ground. Let's see if this works better. Unfortunately I cannot spend so much time on them today.

46 by Ficina
I got one out of three correct, and maybe another half for saying Spurs might have the edge. Bolton did great to get a draw at Bayern, so I didn't really mind getting that one wrong :)

Laurie, to do the quote thing, you highlight and copy the text you want to quote, then paste it into your reply. Then highlight it again and click the Quote button at the top. You should then see [quote] at the beginning and end of the text. You can check to see if it's worked by clicking the Preview button at the bottom.

47 by LaurieB
I got one out of three correct
I had two out of 6. The likeness of the Rosenborg chart to the Tottenham Hotspur chart did not give a similar result. Oh my.... John is probably right and the perfect system of astrology is limited in an imperfect world.

Thanks for explaining the quote system to me. I can be a bit dense at times :)

48 by Andrew Bevan
Re Rosenborg. Norwegian teams often stand strong under Scorpio. However, in my notes I have Trondheim ruled by Pisces, possibly Leo. Does that make any sense in terms of the outfall of the match?

In Norwegian history Trondheim served as the captial of Norway from 1030-1217 and has a been as Royal residence (Leo). Now it is probably most reknown for its Nidaros Cathedral (Pisces), which was founded in 1070 but first completed in 1320. Trondheim became the seat of the Arch Bishop in 1152.

And then we have its football team, Rosenborg. Rosenborg Football Club was founded in May 19. 1917 under the name 'Odd', taking its name from a football club in another district, Skien. The name was changed to Rosenborg Ballklubb in 1927. The word 'Borg' means 'Castle'. Rosenborg ~ Rose Castle.
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