Very interesting, Pipedreamer. Can you clarify 'just inside', 'apply closely' and 'signifying' with an example?

This answer is for Tom, since it doesn't seem possible to answer individual messages.

Approximate starting times aren't going to work well with Frawley's system, as you probably know from having read his book. His methods depend on very close orbs, so having a starting time off by 10 minutes could lead to a serious error. Solution? Avoid playoff games where the time is uncertain. Regular season games start within very narrow limits, especially football. I read, years ago, that there is actually a regulation in the NFL that the game will start in the second minute after the scheduled time. I timed several games after that and arrived at an average starting time of one minute and thirty seconds. Pretty good, no?

The horary betting method wouldn't work for extensive betting, I tried it once years ago. Maybe for a single bet on the superbowl, but for day in, day out: I think not.

Regards,

Bob

These are comments for Peter.

1> I agree that cadent planets can be thought of as applying to the angles, but he also uses angular palnets, which by the same logic would be separating from the angles. I've forgotten what we're debating here, since he has many examples of both in his book. He is very clear that you hold antiscions and POF steady and apply to them. What I'd like to know is what he does with midpoints. By extension from the above I assume that for planetary midpoints (e.g., MA/JU) you would hold them steady and apply to them. But I wonder what would be the case with regards to a MP involving the Asc, for example? Same logic, now that I think about it: the POF is for all intents and purposes equivalent to a MP, and it involves the ASC, so I have to assume he would say hold all MPs steady and apply to them.

3> I don't have an AA articles, so I don't know about the emminence effect. I'm skeptical. For example: it should be possible to have, all starting at about the same time, the following: an NBA basketball game, high ranked college game, community college game, and high school games, all in the same metropolitan area. In that case the NBA game would be so much more emminent that the chart for the hs game would be worthless. Or prhaps I misunderstand the concept? Give me a practical, real-world example.
One reason I'm skeptical is that I just saw a post on Frawley's cite, #410, from a woman who apparently has done extensive sports betting, and isn't concerned with having charts of ordinary games to work with. Unfortunately, she didn't give any details of her method.

2> I agree.

4> I agree. If you can have 60% winners against the spread, with a good selection of games, you will make alot of money.

I'm about ready to post preliminary results of my first experiment. Verrrrry interesting.

Regards,

Bob

Hi Bob,

I know your post was addressed to Peter but I just wanted to make a couple of points.

See pp. 92 & 93 of John's book for the "eminence effect".

And a general point - John's message To the Reader at the beginning of his book where he says: "The core of this book is the system I have developed for judging the result of a sporting contest using a chart set for the start of the event. This works well, but there is room for improvement. My hope in writing this book is that someone will pick up this system and make the improvement. Onward!"

I'm looking forward to seeing the results of your experiment

I read that part when I got the book and then forgot about it. I've been minutely examining the other parts of his method, and, as I said, forgot those general observations.

My little experiment just received a setback. It involves some midpoints, and I just discovered that there is a serious error in the WinStar midpoint calculating module! Now I have to go back and check everything by hand!

Bummer,

Bob

Good book.
Dunno why he has to keep bashing the young one in it.

Been trying out the horse method to some success. Mainly going for winners, had a strike rate of about 40%

It's good because I can combine it with my way to add that little bit extra, and it doesn't take very long to do.

So what's the little bit extra?

Bob

Judgement

An example:

13:10 Leicester today.

Using that technique (copyright laws etc)
I came up with the Moon. which leaves 5 options:

Thehonourablelady
Lady Romanov
Lady Korriander
Lady Roisin
Miss Molly Be Rude (anyone know of someone called Molly?)

Having checked the natal transits: 2 of them, I came to one which looks a winner...thehonourablelady.

I dont really get why he uses that method, maybe futher reading is needed.

Coffee wrote:An example:

13:10 Leicester today.

Using that technique (copyright laws etc)
I came up with the Moon. which leaves 5 options:

Thehonourablelady
Lady Romanov
Lady Korriander
Lady Roisin
Miss Molly Be Rude (anyone know of someone called Molly?)

Having checked the natal transits: 2 of them, I came to one which looks a winner...thehonourablelady.

I dont really get why he uses that method, maybe futher reading is needed.

Et Voila!