I'm still finding it hard to believe that England have failed to qualify Although Moon in 10th looked good for them, unfortunately nothing is 100% reliable. A couple of pages back I mentioned Moon applying to conjunct antiscion Saturn (L7), so it seems that that was sufficient to give Croatia the victory, even though they were the underdogs. The bookies, as usual, made England odds-on faves but I think they were being overly optimistic.

In the 1066 chart, transiting Saturn was conj Jupiter....

Ficina wrote:I'm still finding it hard to believe that England have failed to qualify Although Moon in 10th looked good for them, unfortunately nothing is 100% reliable. A couple of pages back I mentioned Moon applying to conjunct antiscion Saturn (L7), so it seems that that was sufficient to give Croatia the victory, even though they were the underdogs. The bookies, as usual, made England odds-on faves but I think they were being overly optimistic.

By offering such a big price for Croatia, its to make you look and think "hey, this team must be rubbish" I will bet on England. The bookies will know better.
Win/Win really, England go out, pay out a lot on Croatia, but get a lot of money for a) England losing and b) all the money placed on England to win the World Cup.

Ficina wrote: In the 1066 chart, transiting Saturn was conj Jupiter....

Which would indicate a good apsect. I suppose the 1801 natal was pretty telling. I wonder about the Croatia national chart too. The recent one for the independence - 90s.

I'm still finding it hard to believe that England have failed to qualify Shocked

Me too! I'm not sure if I've fully recovered from the shock and disapointment. I was looking forward to Euro 08 but the summer is going to be boring...

Although Moon in 10th looked good for them, unfortunately nothing is 100% reliable.

I think it's to do with the dispositor Mars being Rx...

Gem wrote:

I'm still finding it hard to believe that England have failed to qualify Shocked

Me too! I'm not sure if I've fully recovered from the shock and disapointment. I was looking forward to Euro 08 but the summer is going to be boring...

Unless you watch Croatia

You have to change the Part of Fortune for night. Sorry John!
Does the Part of Spirit have greater power in Nocturnal charts?
Lot of good work demonstrated here, though!
Good show!!

You have to change the Part of Fortune for night

Have to? Reasons please They'll need to be good to counteract John's Moon phase argument, which seems very logical to me. In fact I've since noticed that Lilly uses the same reasoning in CA, p.144.

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Although Moon in 10th looked good for them, unfortunately nothing is 100% reliable.

I think it's to do with the dispositor Mars being Rx...

I wondered that too, Gem. And then I found another example where it didn't work and the dispositor was Jupiter Oh, well...

Unless you watch Croatia

Whom England have again been drawn against in the World Cup qualifiers - how ironic!

I have not seen widespread use of the Part of Spirit by other authors but I know how to read it into my charts. If the Sun is the light of day, and Moon of night - does it not follow that the Part of Fortune has greater significant by day, and the Part of Spirit by night?

If the Part of Spirit is more potent by night, and you have changed, according to Al-Birumi, what do you end up with?

Sorry, Andrew, but I just don't see the logic in your argument. I see you've put a longer post on this subject in the Traditional Techniques section, so hopefully we'll get some further opinions.

I am sorry, Ficina. I may have been unclear. It seemed correct to enter the topic under the Techniques section and I hope there will be some response and discussion there .

If you don't change Fortuna for a nocturnal chart, use Fortuna.
If you do change your calculations for a nocturnal chart, judge the winner from the Part of Spirit. Their location is the same!

The Part of Spirit is given preference in a nocturnal chart due to the domain of the Moon. The Part of Spirit is honours! Not quite like money in the bank - but there could still be a trophy or medal involved.