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Chiron in Horary

13 by Julie K
Mark C,

You are right - our loss is your gain but we all win at the end of the day.I know Diana Rosenberg is very good too. I've noted Anne Wrights site mentioned - Anne was a local - dont know where she is now.

I hope you will get back and give us insight into the weekend workshop with Bernadette. I'd love the Starlight program too but our $AUD is @ .45 to your sterling! This makes it very expensive. :)

Julie K

14 by Tom
As an FYI, I attended Bernadette Brady?s fixed star seminar a few years ago. It is true that she is not using the fixed stars the way Ptolemy and others since have done. This is not a criticism, just an observation. Only a relative handful of stars are actually on the ecliptic, e.g. Regulus. Algol, on the other hand is nowhere near the ecliptic and therefore appears to be at different longitudes in different places on earth. Most are off the ecliptic and therefore assigning a longitude to them is difficult. Ptolemy used the method that is in common use today (see e.g Robson).

Brady?s approach is different in that she uses visual astrology. In order to delineate a star on the horizon the star has to actually be visible on the horizon of the observer (or culminating or setting). Not all stars are visible on all horizons. At some latitudes some stars neither rise nor set. This is the case of the current ?north star,? which neither rises nor sets when viewed from temperate latitudes or perhaps anywhere else.

In addition Brady uses what she calls star ?parans,? or pairings with planets. A paran occurs when a star is rising, setting, or culminating at the same time a planet is rising setting or culminating, but they do not have to be at the same angle at the same time. For example if Mars is rising and Sirius is culminating they are said to be in paran and there is a delineation for such a pairing.

This is a bit of an oversimplification of the method but I think the idea comes across. A complete explanation can be found in Brady?s Book of Fixed Stars. Now she has been criticized for her own politically correct delineations that obviously were not used in traditional or even relatively modern astrology. To be fair, though, she does give earlier delineations as well. The reader is left to decide which ones to use. Being a traditionalist I don?t find her personal delineations too useful, but the technique is fascinating. In fact, not all that long ago, she noted a relatively rare configuration that was traditionally associated with ?a gathering of kings,? and she noted it prior to its occurrence. When the time came Pope John Paul II passed away and the world?s leaders ?gathered? to honor him at his funeral.

Brady?s Book of Fixed Stars explains everything one could find in the seminar I attended, but then one would have missed being engaged with a truly talented speaker. Bernadette Brady is a natural teacher and can take almost any object nearby and use it to make her ideas as clear as possible. I recall she was explaining something, I forgot what right now, and when she saw the group didn?t quite grasp her meaning, she picked up an orange left over from lunch, and used it to explain her point. It made perfect sense.

I don't own Starlight. One can use her book in conjunction with an astrology program and Solar Fire lists her parans, but Starlight not only does the calculations, it has a report writer as well.

I understand Diana Rosenberg?s methods are more in line with the traditional use of the stars and she is very knowledgeable. I imagine that it would be tough to go wrong either way, but an astrologer can seriously benefit by becoming acquainted with both.

Tom

15 by Mark
Only a relative handful of stars are actually on the ecliptic, e.g. Regulus. Algol, on the other hand is nowhere near the ecliptic and therefore appears to be at different longitudes in different places on earth. Most are off the ecliptic and therefore assigning a longitude to them is difficult. Ptolemy used the method that is in common use today (see e.g Robson).
Hi Tom,

I dont know if you have had time yet to read James Crane's new book on hellenistic astrology (Astrological Roots: The Hellenistic Legacy) which Garry Phillipson has just reveiwed here on skyscript? If you haven't I thought you might be interested to know that there is a very interesting chapter on 'The non-wandering stars'. He suggests that hellenistic astrologers had various techniques of working with stars:

1 Stars close to the zodiac were simply projected on to the zodiac the way Robson uses them.

2 Crane quotes Hephaistio of Thebes as a source justifying the use of working with stars outside the zodiac but linked to planets by declination. For example, Sirius.

3 Crane also mentions stars co-arising with the natal chart being another technique used (no paran involved with another planet or star). This is not based on the zodiac but simply a mundane conjunction of a star to an angle.

4 Then of course there is the paran method itself that Brady has revived using sources like Anonymous of 379.

5 Finally, there is the heliacal rising approach Brady has advocated. I know that the heliacal rising star would be regarded as extremely important in Ancient Egyptian, Babylonian and Greek times as a seasonal marker star and would have spiritual significance in regards some important stars. However, I haven't found a hellenistic source actually suggesting the use of this approach relating to natal astrology. Hopefully, my copy of Hephaistio of Thebes on its way to me will shed more light on that point.

As you suggest one doesn't need to buy Starlight to work extensively with fixed stars. Solar Fire for example provides a star aspects option and a paran option. There are sample short interpretations from Bernadette Brady or you can use the Ptolemy list of stars giving their planetary nature. The only technique you cannot do on Solar Fire is the heliacal rising star. Using Solar Fire you can also create your personal data base of stars rather the ones selected on the Brady or Ptolemy options. I have done that as there quite a few stars that are important in traditional terms that Brady ignores. One can also check out the position of stars on the highly useful planetarium feature of Solar Fire. This shows latitude better than any listing of degrees. Clicking any star on the planetarium feature will give you its name and a short summary of Bernadette Brady's interpretation provided to Solar Fire. However, if you want to edit this you can add more traditional sources like Ptolemy, Lilly etc.

Chiron in Horary

16 by Julie K
Mark & Tom,

Your posts are very interesting.The idea of the Fixed Stars and the various manners in which they can add insight to Astrology is fascinating.I love the VAN as there is always close connotations linked to World happenings.

FYI BB was offering a distance course on Fixed Stars but I'm not sure if this course is still available. I had the pleasure of hearing BB speak in Brisbane 10 years ago - I didnt have an appreciation of the Fixed Stars back then but I loved her talk. At much the same time Deb was here and I was at her talk too. :)

Mark do let us know how you find your new book by James Crane.

To Add: Neville Lange now has 50% ownership of Solar Fire, and Solar Fire Gold is now available with some new additions.

Julie K

Re: Chiron in Horary

17 by epurdue
Julie K wrote:Mark & Tom,
To Add: Neville Lange now has 50% ownership of Solar Fire, and Solar Fire Gold is now available with some new additions.

Julie K
What does this mean? I don't know who Neville Lange is.

I have SF 6 now, but I'm starting to find that Janus is more in-line to what I want, so I'll probably move in that direction eventually.

Chiron in Horary

18 by Julie K
Mithra6,

Esoteric Technologies latest release is Solar Fire Gold. You can up grade to this new release from Deluxe V6.

Neville Lange has been Solar Fires technie - for want of a better word. He has bought a 50% share of Esoteric Techs. ie He owns half of this Co. now.

If you live in Australia you contact Esoteric Techs.in South Australia. If in US Astro Lab.

Janus is from NZ. I dont have any knowledge who the contacts are.

Julie K
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