Thank you, Ficina!
Fiorentina-Rangers 0-0 after extra time!
2-4 to Rangers after Penalty kicks [1-0 under after first round]
was absolutely perfect!

In yesterday's games both charts were radical, yet the faves lost. Thinking in terms of affinity rather than radicality, both underdogs were signified by Venus which has recently moved into Taurus. So when the hour ruler is Moon or Venus (as in yesterday's charts) perhaps the Venus teams now have a better chance of winning? This is obviously a broad generalisation without taking other factors into consideration, but it's just a thought

Yes Andrew got it right again I haven't looked at the Zenit chart yet but Rangers did really well.

Has anyone got the coordinates for Luzhniki stadium please??
Adress: 119048 Moscow, nearest Metro station, Sportivnaya (no luck with Multimap).

Ficina said:
In yesterday's games both charts were radical, yet the faves lost.

I said: Re. Zenit
The asc in the final minutes of arc of Libra proves the chart not radical. Not radical in the final degree of a sign. Isn't that essentially what the classics say? So the moment was good for the underdog..

Would you give the matter a second thought, Ficina? Lilly says the last 3 degrees of a sign on the ascendant is not radical. That's probably stretching it a bit, but we make good use of that rule here if we say that the last degree is not radical - and opens for the underdog.

Fiorentina actually played a draw during both ordinary and extra time. The game could not be decided, hence the penalty kicks...

Has anyone got the coordinates for Luzhniki stadium please??

55N43, 37E33. Virtually the same co-ords as Moscow.

This is a better site than Multimaps because you can enter the actual name of the stadium.

http://world.maporama.com/

...the last degree is not radical - and opens for the underdog.

It's an interesting theory, Andrew. Need some more examples though

Fiorentina actually played a draw during both ordinary and extra time. The game could not be decided, hence the penalty kicks...

Yes, that's true and probably hour ruler and Asc ruler in same trip in the chart was another indication of the draw don't you think? Normally the draw result would be final, but this game had to produce a winner, which turned out to be the Venus team, Rangers.

Ficina, you make me think...
When it comes down to a penalty kick-out, yes, a team does have to win - but it's more like a team loosing - when you think about it..

One team must be eliminated. Just a thought. Fiorentina made more mistakes during the penalty kicks than Rangers.

Ficina, thanks for this fantastic link!

a team does have to win - but it's more like a team loosing

I guess it depends whether the keeper saves it or the penalty taker misses completely. Just another thought.

Last night both keepers saved one each, but one of the Fiorentina players missed the goal completely. So yes, it was his mistake, poor chap. I felt really sorry for him.

Ficina
Thank you very much for the useful link
Just can't wait to get a peek at the Final chart. It'll probably be played at 19:45 BST, won't it??

I see Andrew's point regarding charts with the last degs on the AC. One of the reasons I didn't look at the Zenit chart was that I saw the AC was at 29 degs(the other one was that I couldn't get the info to work out the LOH). The sign, the lord, everything is about to change; it's very unstable. I felt it's not safe to judge but I do not think it necessarily means 'not radical', moving the result away from the AC.

I couldn't agree with you more, Gem. I always think that a chart can be read, but get hesitant when the asc is in the final minutes of a sign, or when the planetary hour is on the cusp to the next. Then I find it difficult to make a decision, but not always..

It'll probably be played at 19:45 BST, won't it??

According to the BBC website, yes, so that's 22.45 local time.

The sign, the lord, everything is about to change; it's very unstable.

That's interesting. I hadn't noticed the hour ruler was about to change to Mercury. Mercury is in same sign as Venus (Zenit)